Preachy vegan types

[Top Dog]

Bless her, she is a lovely girl though

all this self loathing thora...


<puts on half moon spectacles>
do you have any issues with your mother not paying you any attention?

 

[miss_b]

Whilst miss_b is very, very unlikely to suffer any particular adverse reaction to eating small amounts of animal protein, I'm sure the thought would be particularly unpleasant and enough to make you feel ill. Psychosomatic or not, it may still make you ill - childhood associations I have with coleslaw make me unable to even get near the stuff without wanting to upchuck

Bingo

ell put it this way do you think the trace amount of meats that could be left on a frying pan or fork after washing could do give you problems? If that was the case you'd probably die from giving a fucking blow job!

Thanks for your concern, but human meat don't bother me and my boyf's vegan, so all good in that department
Cos I don't have my own place yet I have to use my family's stuff but I always wash it thoroughly before use. Partly a health thing, mostly because it makes me go 'bleurgh'

 

[tarannau]

The plus side though Ms B is that if you don't know it won't hurt you. Just rely on the power of dishwashers and the ability of cooking processes to kill off any particular meat-based pathogens.

Slightly different with coleslaw and mayonnaise for me - they kind of end up in all kinds of unexpected places, from pretty much every pre-prepared sandwich, to salad dressings and special sauces. I'm trying, but it's my one food weaknesses - made to barf by hidden, unlisted mayonnaise in a dressing gets a little annoying..

 

[Masseuse]

Very mysterious.

 

[DrRingDing]

Did you know that the Bonnington Cafe rotates chefs and you can get in touch with them if you want to cook there? Might be a good intro to cooking for numbers if you haven't done it before?

Well yummy food too.

Thursday was usually vegan night.

 

[tarannau]

I've been involved in a social centre and we had a vegan cafe, because at the end of the day it was just easiest to prepare food that everyone could eat regardless of whether they were vegan, vegetarian, meat eaters. The non-vegans did insist on having cow milk as well as soya milk for the tea and coffee though, and even that caused all kinds of arguments - one particularly nutty vegan saying "rapist" under her breath every time a customer went for the cow milk!

I must admit that's pretty much how it ended up in the places I know. It did become the worst of all worlds solution in many ways unfortunately: the vegans couldn't really cook and showed no particular incentive to modify their recipes or cater for others after their 'victory' in getting the cafe.

And those who were less committed to a vegan lifestyle simply tended to find the food unpalatable and groaned about it, making the place have a bad atmosphere. The kitchen/cafe became a moaning point rather than something which united the community.

 

[miss_b]

Slightly different with coleslaw and mayonnaise for me - they kind of end up in all kinds of unexpected places, from pretty much every pre-prepared sandwich, to salad dressings and special sauces. I'm trying, but it's my one food weaknesses - made to barf by hidden, unlisted mayonnaise in a dressing gets a little annoying..

True, but I am careful. My boyfriend has that reaction to egg, even in minute amounts. He gets so so ill it's terrible

 

[Hollis]

I must admit that's pretty much how it ended up in the places I know. It did become the worst of all worlds solution in many ways unfortunately: the vegans couldn't really cook and showed no particular incentive to modify their recipes or cater for others after their 'victory' in getting the cafe.

And those who were less committed to a vegan lifestyle simply tended to find the food unpalatable and groaned about it, making the place have a bad atmosphere. The kitchen/cafe became a moaning point rather than something which united the community.

See if they'd shown abit more consideration as per my "Should veggie cafe's provide a meat option?' thread.. then the tears need never have happened.

 

[Pilgrim]

Was at an LSF meeting last night, we're trying to set up a social centre, which is actually going pretty well.

What pissed me off though, was a small cadre of vegans who kept pushing for the centre to not only run a vegan cafe, but not even allow groups to hold meetings or events in the space if they wanted to serve non-vegan food. When somebody pointed out the stupidity of this, they made some spurious comparison to the National fucking Front wanting to hold a meeting in the centre, called several people at turns ignorant, ill-educated or "a bit thick" and then expected an apology for being called "irritating, offensively lifestylist wankers."

Admitadly, I probably shouldn't have said it, but what is it with these people? Would it be so hard to just accept that making a pot of scouse is not quite on a par with marching through ethnic minority areas chanting about "white pride" or holocaust denial?

To be fair to vegans, it isn't just among them that you'll find this particularly obnoxious breed of person. Vegans, like most other groups in life, are a mix of the good, the bad and the complete tossers.

They can appear in any guise and in any walk of life.

The 'This is what I'M into and if you aren't its always because you're totally wrong and I'm ALWAYS right' brigade really get on my tits. Anybody who disagrees with them, and to their sort ANY disagreement, no matter how minor, is a mortal sin, is automatically the enemy.

And you're right as far as I'm concerned. They are wankers.

People like the ones you allude to are also bullies, and bullies need to be stood up to and fucked off, sharpish. They want to impose their particular ideology upon the group, your cafe idea and the punters, seemingly without regard for the fact that they are in the minority. If they want a purely vegan setup, then let them go away and start one up for themselves. And the same goes for any other fanatics. If you let them dictate to you now and get away with it, it will only encourage them. And then, at some future point, they may very well show up with some even more outlandish demands. After a while, you'll find you have zero customers and most of the other organisers will probably have drifted away to other projects.

By all means, offer to cater WITHIN REASON to a vegetarian or vegan clientele. There's nothing wrong with that. But if you're running the place for the purpose of attracting 'mainstream' customers, many of whom might not have been acquainted with your social centre before, then you have to cater for a 'mainstream' menu. If people don't like what's on offer, they won't come back, nor will they recommend the place to anyone else. And if you let these hardliners anywhere near the punters, they'll probably start scaring people off in droves.

 

[Thora_v1]

I must admit that's pretty much how it ended up in the places I know. It did become the worst of all worlds solution in many ways unfortunately: the vegans couldn't really cook and showed no particular incentive to modify their recipes or cater for others after their 'victory' in getting the cafe.

And those who were less committed to a vegan lifestyle simply tended to find the food unpalatable and groaned about it, making the place have a bad atmosphere. The kitchen/cafe became a moaning point rather than something which united the community.

In the cafe I was involved in it worked pretty well imo - the food was generally really good, certainly didn't get any complaints. Though the majority of people doing both the cooking and eating weren't vegan

In my last squat, only two of the 25 people living there were vegans (and lovely, reasonable, non-mental ones at that) but we decided to make all communal meals vegan anyway, so everyone could eat the same stuff together. And lovely meals they were too! However, we had a fridge specifically for meat products, and anyone was free to cook non-vegan food as long as it was labelled as such. Luckily no-one got precious about cross-contamination - we just relied on washing things up. It all seemed to work very well.

 

[William of Walworth]

See if they'd shown abit more consideration as per my "Should veggie cafe's provide a meat option?' thread.. then the tears need never have happened.

You're missing out one slight detail from that sunny summary Hollis ...

... you were on a blatant/deliberate wind up (and little else, don't bother contradicting) with that thread, and were behaving in a way not easily distinguishable from that of a twat ...

You also ignored all the rational arguments that were inconvenient to you.

 

[William of Walworth]

Did you actually read my post? I was vegan myself for 5 years and its 17 years since i last ate meat.

I know fuck loads of vegans/ex-vegans and veggies. I spent a (far too) long period involved in animal rights/hunt sab stuff myself and ive met many of these personality types. Ive also met grounded, sane non-meat eaters there as well.

I think i know what im talking about

OK, apols, admittedly I did miss the relevant bit, sorry

But I've moved in similar circles to you at times over the years (bar the hunt sab bit) and the number of preachy/shouty vegans/veggies I encountered was outnumberd by quite a bit by the safe and sorted ones, and in general, outnumbered by quite a bit more by annoying meateaters who want to pin the 'preachy sanctimonious' badge on anyone who dares admit to being veggie or vegan.

I must admit I thought you were doing similar, sorry n all that ...

 

[William of Walworth]

And you pissed and moaned about the choice of cafe constantly on the run up to the night so I shun your opinion

Do the extent of starting a blatant windup thread about it ... (see above)

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm very sorry.

Next time it'll be:

YAY!! BONNINGNTON CAFE Can't Wait!! I shall bring wine!!! YAY!!


Is that better?

Two opposite means of being an idiot posed against each other.

The above (sarcastic nonsense) or starting a windup thread suggesting veggie or vegan cafes should offer meat choices. And don't start upon that again, your 'argument' was 85% windup and 15% shit, so don't bother -- and I wasn't the only one with that opinion.

Lifes full of extremes isn't it Hollis.

 

[jimmer]

In my last squat, only two of the 25 people living there were vegans

How many were veggie?

 

[likesfish]

brighton unemployed centre has a vegan cafe ran it for a year not being a vegan or veggie or even having any catering experiance. very nearly became non veggie as one member of the vegbollah (brighton divison) almost ended up in a pie tosser (later got done for child porn so karma did for him ).
would'nt have minded so much if the more militant vegans had actually done a shift in the kitchen.
and as for exploding if eaten diary they ate my custard and vegan cheese sauce one small packet of vegan cheese from infinity foods and two pounds chedder from the market.
there are some normal vegans out there but the weird ones are always remembered . also they put the kibbosh on my unemployed workers poaching
society, snaring for beginners anyone

 

[castlemain]

Why do we call them vegans?

I mean, they're not from Vega are they.

Most them though, eat food which has been tested on animals.

I call them Soyans, because they seem to be unable to live without it.

It seems to me that it's a bit hypocritical to eat soya if you're a vegan. Most of the soya on the planet (and it's in a lot of processed food) is not GM free. GM soya has (and still is occasionally) been tested on animals. GM free soya is not completely free of GM soya, the threshold of contamination being around 1%. Vegans profess to be opposed to animal testing, yet support it by their dietary practices. I don't know of any vegans who don't eat soya in one form or another, but they justify this practice on the grounds of practicality - a rather selective application of moral principles.

If vegans insist on vegan food, insist on the same moral grounds that it should be soya free. (and I don't care what they say - there is absolutely no fucking way that marmite can be considered remotely vegetarian)

 

[red mickey]

vegan xmas

a social centre decided to do a very good thing and host a xmas dinner for the homeless/rough sleepers ,can you imagine the joy,9you know what i mean,]turkey,chipolatas,stuffing and all the trimmings only to be comfronted by a fecking nut roast and vegan gravy, those damn homeless people better be grateful,ho ho ho

 

[Thora_v1]

How many were veggie?

Not entirely sure actually. Half and half maybe?

 

[likesfish]

funnyist thing I ever saw was one of these types coming out with the classic.
"everytime I pass a butchers shop I think of Auswhwitz in fact its worse than that because its innocent animals that are being exterminated "
Only to be overheard by two old school jewish hard leties types queue instant holocaust lesson as fluffy bunnylover has to defend her braindead views

 

[KeyboardJockey]

funnyist thing I ever saw was one of these types coming out with the classic.
"everytime I pass a butchers shop I think of Auswhwitz in fact its worse than that because its innocent animals that are being exterminated "
Only to be overheard by two old school jewish hard leties types queue instant holocaust lesson as fluffy bunnylover has to defend her braindead views

Nice one! AR loons give 'em enough rope given em enough rope.

 

[William of Walworth]

funnyist thing I ever saw was one of these types coming out with the classic.
"everytime I pass a butchers shop I think of Auswhwitz in fact its worse than that because its innocent animals that are being exterminated "
Only to be overheard by two old school jewish hard leties types queue instant holocaust lesson as fluffy bunnylover has to defend her braindead views

Those vegan types were obviously twats, but to react to the fact that some over animated vegans are clearly twats, by nearly becoming non veggie again yourself, is equally twattish IMO. And utterly illogical.

I'm a live and let live type myself, anyone can eat what they want no bother, but if you're going to stop being veggie, at least have some LOGICAL reason to stop it, rather than simply because you're pissed off with SOME/A FEW nutty vegans or veggies.

You don't want to be associated with nutty vegans or veggies? Well then, don't be -- disassociate themselves from their 'arguments', as I'm doing.

 

[William of Walworth]

Nice one! AR loons give 'em enough rope given em enough rope.

I don't disagree with likesfish's reaction in that circumstance, but to nearly become not-veggie in response to it -- unnecessary and illogical.

 

[likesfish]

was never a veggie to start with only took over the vegan cafe after various vegans walked out over a strop over cows milk .
mind you have heard people think about getting "I hunt foxes for fun ask me how T-shirts", after a member of the vegbollah has passed by

 

[miss_b]

What saddens me is when I'm judged as a crazy nutcase or an ill-informed idiot by lots of people as soon as I mention I'm vegan because they've met or heard of one or 2 nutty fundamentalist-type vegans. As a result I spend the rest of my life being screamed at and laughed at just because of how I choose to live my life.

I don't try and convert people, if they ask questions I'll answer them but I don't preach. And yet non-vegans seem to think it's fair (and hilarious) to start a hate campaign towards me.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush. I could say 'all omnis are sadistic bastards' but I don't because it's not true. Some are, but then so are some vegans.

 

[In Bloom]

Those vegan types were obviously twats, but to react to the fact that some over animated vegans are clearly twats, by nearly becoming non veggie again yourself, is equally twattish IMO. And utterly illogical.

I'm a live and let live type myself, anyone can eat what they want no bother, but if you're going to stop being veggie, at least have some LOGICAL reason to stop it, rather than simply because you're pissed off with SOME/A FEW nutty vegans or veggies.

You don't want to be associated with nutty vegans or veggies? Well then, don't be -- disassociate themselves from their 'arguments', as I'm doing.

WoW, I think he was talking about the cafe, not his own diet.

 

[William of Walworth]

Yeah, I realise that now. Apologies to likesfish, I misunderstood ...

 

[William of Walworth]

What saddens me is when I'm judged as a crazy nutcase or an ill-informed idiot by lots of people as soon as I mention I'm vegan because they've met or heard of one or 2 nutty fundamentalist-type vegans. As a result I spend the rest of my life being screamed at and laughed at just because of how I choose to live my life.

I don't try and convert people, if they ask questions I'll answer them but I don't preach. And yet non-vegans seem to think it's fair (and hilarious) to start a hate campaign towards me.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush. I could say 'all omnis are sadistic bastards' but I don't because it's not true. Some are, but then so are some vegans.

To all the people who foor very understandable reasons bang on about the preachy, fundamentalist, mentalist shouty vegans they've met (people who as you know I have never denied existed or that they're a complete pain).

Just remember this.

The numbers of those shouty types is FAR outnumbered (because of there being more overall) by the numbers of intolerent, ignorant meateaters who with their hyocrisy hunting and consistency insisting, seizing on any inconsistency they can find in a veggie or vegan's life, give US a bloody hard time, every week sometimes it seems.

 

[Wilf]

Blimey! A thread wih the word vegan in it that has been politely argued and has edged towards a consensus (fundementalist vegans are arses; most veggie/vegans aren't zealots .

As has been said, every caff of this sort that i've seen usually ends up being veggie/vegan for mainly practical purposes - fair percentage of the activists/users are veggie ... its easier to cook 1 menu than 2 etc.