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post office network annihilation

Just a technical note:

After the Telegraph Acts of 1868/9, the telecommunications infrastructure of the UK belonged to the GPO. So had the 1981 BT Act not looted that infrastructure, any technologically driven shift from postal to electronic communications would have been no net loss. Sort of.
 
Even wayyyy after the BT selloff, weren't the Royal Mail making a profit (paid over to the government) for years?

And I am sure I read someplace that mail volumes are actually up and up .... in spite of emails and so on. Trying to find historical figures for number of letter delivered annually, and failing.

They have succeeded in bolloxing up something that used to work OK.

Giles..
 
They're making a noise about it (the govt) because they believe that they're paying the Post Office too much for the privilege of people drawing their money there, and Paypoint etc are probably offering to undercut the PO.
The problem with that is that Paypoint outlets aren't regulated in the way that Post Offices are, and the shops that have Paypoint facilities don't tend to have a public service ethic.
I've already made a noise about this, just like I've done with every fuckwitted attempt to make the Post Office into something it isn't.

Oh terrific. That's just what benefit claimants, who are shat on enough as it is in this society, really need isn't it. A load of post offices shut down and then having to go further afield to get what pittance we'll have left once the welfare 'reforms' are forced through.

I live in a city now, but I spent most of my life out in the sticks and the sick and elderly are really going to suffer if this goes through. But hey, it's only dole scroungers and old codgers so who gives a fuck, eh?
 
Oh come off it. The EU is made up of its component states. It is going to reflect consistent ideologies that their governments share. The fact that the UK govt might have been unusually keen to implement this particular part doesn't mean that the EU doesn't also support it.
The EU obviously does support it! But the EU merely does what the governments within it want to do, as you point out above (well actually often the Parliament disagrees with the governments - the Council - like over working time, so in those instances the "EU" has to wait until there is as agreement between the governments and MEPs before it "supports" anything). But that means if you want to change a particular EU policy you need to change the attitude of the government, not the EU...

I personally don't agree that countries should be forced to privatise anything, and I don't agree that competition is more important than job security (the rules that prevent subsidies paid to a company to keep it afloat and prevent job losses). But if you want to change that, you don't target the "EU" you target those within the EU making those decisions - the national governments themselves.

Targeting the EU or creating a backlash against the EU is just pissing in the wind and allowing the real perpetrators to get away with it criticism free...
 
I am totally confused about how the EU can ORDER a government to destroy the PO network? I think thats bollocks, but if not tell me what it says...
 
Oh terrific. That's just what benefit claimants, who are shat on enough as it is in this society, really need isn't it. A load of post offices shut down and then having to go further afield to get what pittance we'll have left once the welfare 'reforms' are forced through.
Yup. :(
If you try raising these issues with your local councilor or your MP their reply is invariably "can't you have the money paid into your bank account?", which isn't very helpful if, like me, you're housebound for about 9 months of the year, and can't get to the bank unless you're willing to fork over the cab fare. I've come to the conclusion that "the system" wants the Post Office to die the death of a thousand cuts, so that they can franchise more branches into chainstores while minimising their overheads, and run down the postal system until Joe Public will actually clamour for it to be privatised, just so he doesn't gave to wait 3 days to receive a 1st-class letter.
The worst thing is that, although butch is right about the EU directive, this was all on the cards 20 years ago, when Thatcher forced "market testing" on many of our national assets. It was only a matter of when it happened.
I live in a city now, but I spent most of my life out in the sticks and the sick and elderly are really going to suffer if this goes through. But hey, it's only dole scroungers and old codgers so who gives a fuck, eh?
My parents used to collect theirs from their village post office out in the north Norfolk sticks, then when that closed they ended up having to drive 6 miles down the coast to the next nearest office. Fortunately, though, enough locals (including from neighbouring villages) made a fuss that a "community post office" set-up was established at their village hall, so at least the unemployed, the disabled and the terminally crumbly didn't have to schlepp 6 miles.
Problem is, that sort of success is rare, and for every post office that's saved or an alternative established, 10 or so are closed for good. :mad:
 
I am totally confused about how the EU can ORDER a government to destroy the PO network? I think thats bollocks, but if not tell me what it says...

A directive is formulated, and governments conform to the directive. If the directive (put simply) says "Postal services z, y and z must be opened to competition and public subsidy of the service must not be more than x percent of gross turnover" then the network gets fucked.
 
A directive is formulated, and governments conform to the directive. If the directive (put simply) says "Postal services z, y and z must be opened to competition and public subsidy of the service must not be more than x percent of gross turnover" then the network gets fucked.

But i bet the govt could withdraw from all that crap like they did the working directive thing when it suited them (NHS/junior doctors)? Or failing that get out of the EU altogether if they want to destroy the country...
 
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