Portrait of Muhammad as a young dog

[Aldebaran]

It look like a very badly drawn cartoon which was only drawn to offend.I do hope he get hassle over it as its rubbish art and frankly if you want to provoke a debate you could at least do some decent art.

I suspect it is only called "art" because of the subject .
Artists need to be "free" in their "expressions" etc.. etc..., no? Of course Retarded Muslims have no idea about "Western Art", let alone "freedom".
Isn't this planet a wonderful place to be? Everything is so simple that you don't need a brain at all.

salaam.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

 

[Boogie Boy]

Is that thing in the OP really considered art in Sweden these days? Poor Swedish, looks like they need a serious update in the art education department.

salaam.

Just as some might ask for a "serious update" in the area of religious education.....


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[Aldebaran]

Just as some might ask for a "serious update" in the area of religious education.....

Just as many would benefit from a serious update in general education.

salaam.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Pictures of the Prophet of Islam are "faceless" (veiled).



Yes. (Why are you convuinced of the opposite?)

salaam.

I assumed Islam was like the other offshoots of Judaism, elevating humans to an exalted plane over mere beasts.

 

[maximilian ping]

drawing mohammed as a pig or a dog deserves a good suicide bombing just for pure stupidity

scandanavian fuckwits

 

[Random]

drawing mohammed as a pig or a dog deserves a good suicide bombing just for pure stupidity

scandanavian fuckwits

thank god at last some sense being talked

 

[Aldebaran]

I assumed Islam was like the other offshoots of Judaism, elevating humans to an exalted plane over mere beasts.

Being created with a brain able to develop reason, morality and responsibility doesn't mean that other parts of Creation are of lesser worth. Showing disrespect for any part of God's creation equals disrespecting God, even to the extent of blasphemy. It is an explicit command that humans respect and care for animals just like it is a command to do the same for the whole of God's Creation.
Hence permission to take the life of an animal for food does not encompass permission to treat any of them with disrespect, let alone neglect or cruelty.

Islam is not an "offshoot of Judaism"

salaam.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Hence permission to take the life of an animal for food does not encompass permission to treat any of them with disrespect, let alone neglect or cruelty.

Islam is not an "offshoot of Judaism"

salaam.

This was not my experience of how animals were generally treated in Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco. Although I couldn't say for certain that the mistreatment was done at the hands of good muslims.

Maybe offshoot is the wrong word. How about 'by-product'?

 

[goldenecitrone]

drawing mohammed as a pig or a dog deserves a good suicide bombing just for pure stupidity

scandanavian fuckwits

Not quite what you wanted but I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that the cartoonist has had a fatwa declared against him and there is a bounty of $100,000 for whoever slaughters him like a lamb. He's now in hiding under police protection. Daft bugger. I never show anyone the drawings I've done of Mohammed being bummed by a pig. Oh no.

 

[likesfish]

death for drawing a crap cartoon bit ott
but Islams a religion of peace (obviously the people who what to murder is twat arn't real muslims )

 

[Giles]

Religion is all bunk, and laughing at it is fine.

I believe that the world is round.

If someone else thinks it isn't, and wants to take the piss of my belief, then that's fine with me.

I won't feel the urge to put a death sentence on their heads for so doing.....

Giles..

 

[mk12]

It's a cartoon for fuck's sake.

 

[Aldebaran]

Not quite what you wanted but I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that the cartoonist has had a fatwa declared against him and there is a bounty of $100,000 for whoever slaughters him like a lamb. He's now in hiding under police protection. Daft bugger. I never show anyone the drawings I've done of Mohammed being bummed by a pig. Oh no.

I can't but suppose it is what he wanted to provoke with this silly rubbish, really. From what I heard this "drawing" isn't even done by someone who is known for being an artist (and like I said, any child could do better).
There isn't any noticable attention paid to this at all, anywhere, but is was completely predictable that some radical website would publish a "fatwa".
Since 99,999% of Westerners have no clue what that word actually stands for, they take such a thing as serious as if it would come from a scholar with the needed educational background and the required position to be able to issue such a (guiding) ruling.

salaam.

 

[Random]

I can't but suppose it is what he wanted to provoke with this silly rubbish, really

Why can't you do anything but suppose that? 'He was asking for it' is a rather odd conclusion to jump to.

This is not 'just some website' but an announcement from an armed Islamist militia. Not that this salafist frothing will have much impact on what other muslims think or behave. At least one other group has already issued a counter-fatwa (they might also lack your desired educational background though).

 

[Aldebaran]

Why can't you do anything but suppose that? 'He was asking for it' is a rather odd conclusion to jump to.

There is quite a difference between the meaning of "asking for" and "wanting". I said he obviously wanted to provoke such reaction.

This is not 'just some website' but an announcement from an armed Islamist militia.

They all claim to be that and pop up like mushrooms.

Not that this salafist frothing will have much impact on what other muslims think or behave.

I don't follow this up but what I heard is that they were Shia. That is quite something else than salafists.

At least one other group has already issued a counter-fatwa (they might also lack your desired educational background though).

I woudl be extremely surprized if they had. And it is not a "desired" but a required.
Huge difference.

salaam.

 

[Random]

There is quite a difference between the meaning of "asking for" and "wanting". I said he obviously wanted to provoke such reaction.

He obviously wanted to get death threats and go into hiding? What makes you think this?

I don't follow this up but what I heard is that they were Shia. That is quite something else than salafists.

That might be a more serious threat, given the large numbers of Shia Iraqis in Iraq, but the bounty that everyone is talking about is the one placed by the 'head of Al Qaida in Iraq' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6999652.stm As you probably know, Al-Q is a vehemently ant-shia grouping.

 

[Random]

I woudl be extremely surprized if they had. And it is not a "desired" but a required.
Huge difference.

Rather off-topic, but there is not really anyone policing these requirements, is there?

 

[Giles]

These muslims and their "fatwas" eh? For a religion of peace, it's funny how there are loads and loads of "armed groups" ready to put a price on someone's head for drawing a crap picture, isn't it?

Giles..

 

[Aldebaran]

Rather off-topic, but there is not really anyone policing these requirements, is there?

If anyone could call himself a scholar, let alone one with the authority needed to hand out a fatwa, life would be so simple that I would sleep right through it.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

These muslims and their "fatwas" eh? For a religion of peace, it's funny how there are loads and loads of "armed groups" ready to put a price on someone's head for drawing a crap picture, isn't it?

Everything is surprising for the innocent simple minds.

salaam.

 

[Random]

These muslims and their "fatwas" eh? For a religion of peace, it's funny how there are loads and loads of "armed groups" ready to put a price on someone's head for drawing a crap picture, isn't it?

Giles..

fuck off, 'giles'

 

[Giles]

Everything is surprising for the innocent simple minds.

salaam.

I am not wrong though, am I?

I cannot think of any other religion that so instantly threatens death and violence towards anyone who criticises or ridicules its silly superstitious beliefs.

Giles..

 

[Aldebaran]

I am not wrong though, am I?

If you are happy to think this and not in a mood to broading your perspective, why would I disrupt such innocent pleasure.

I cannot think of any other religion that so instantly threatens death and violence towards anyone who criticises or ridicules its silly superstitious beliefs.

Actually, a religion is what people follow as their way to worship God. Identifying certain followers of a religion with the religion as if the religion is a living being is in my view rather weird.
Those who believe that God or God's prophets can be "insulted" by no matter what any human does, says, writes, are in need for some substantial guidance about God and about their religion.
On the other hand, those who have no idea about the religion nor about the real causes of such seemingly irrational behaviour by some of its followers, are in need of some education too, isn't it.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

He obviously wanted to get death threats and go into hiding? What makes you think this?

The mere fact of his childish attempt to mimic the "Danish Cartoons".

That might be a more serious threat, given the large numbers of Shia Iraqis in Iraq, but the bounty that everyone is talking about is the one placed by the 'head of Al Qaida in Iraq'

Every lunatic with a dream of having a war toy claims to be AQ these days since that guarantees immediate coverage in hte press where every Western journalist portrays every lunatic as AQ"in X or Y".

As you probably know, Al-Q is a vehemently ant-shia grouping.

Depends on who you refer to. Absolutely everything gets these days the brand name Al Qaeda (TM). It sells.

salaam.

 

[Random]

Every lunatic with a dream of having a war toy claims to be AQ these days since that guarantees immediate coverage in hte press where every Western journalist portrays every lunatic as AQ"in X or Y".

Quite possible, but no one even pretending to be Al Q is shia, are they?

 

[Random]

The mere fact of his childish attempt to mimic the "Danish Cartoons".

Well, if you think this was Lars' aim, the I suppose he's got it now. Do you think that Al Q group know that they've just succeeded in giving an elderly Swedish artise his jollies?

 

[Aldebaran]

Quite possible, but no one even pretending to be Al Q is shia, are they?

I'm sure that those who claim to be Al Qaeda don't even bother. Those who supported (or still do) OBL didn't bother wether he or his group were shia or sunni either.
You see the same when it comes to Hizb'allah. I just heard a CD that starts with " Hamas, Jihad, Hizbullah" and goes on in support of them as if there is no shred of an ideological or religious difference. Such is nothing speical at all.

salaam.

 

[Random]

I'm sure that those who claim to be Al Qaeda don't even bother. Those who supported (or still do) OBL didn't bother wether he or his group were shia or sunni either.
You see the same when it comes to Hizb'allah. I just heard a CD that starts with " Hamas, Jihad, Hizbullah" and goes on in support of them as if there is no shred of an ideological or religious difference. Such is nothing speical at all.

salaam.

Not sure if you know about this, but there are very serious differences within Iraqi rmed groups, along religious and politial lines. It seems that for these people the difference between salafist and shia is crucial.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well, if you think this was Lars' aim, the I suppose he's got it now. Do you think that Al Q group know that they've just succeeded in giving an elderly Swedish artise his jollies?

I doubt they even know anything more about it than that some Westerner drew a picture of Muhammed that got published somewhere in a foreign country.
Sweden - unlike Danmark - harbours not much of an "anti-immigrant" sentiment, hence it would hugely surprize me if this could ever reach the stage of getting milked out as endlessely as the "Danish Cartoons". Which were not only milked out, but also falsified with adding drawing that originally didn't even exist etc.. etc...

salaam.