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Pop Brixton (formerly Grow Brixton) Pope's Road development

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hiraethified
No, but apparently neither do Lambeth or pop.

Unless it means, “look at our edible bus stop, meanwhile we siphon off a load of cash in management charges”

Alex
Exactly how would the Edible Bus Stop have 'siphoned' off money? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
So the council should sell the land to experienced people like lexadon ?

The council has some land and needs money what should they do with it ?

Alex
Rent it out on commercial basis for a few years. Then invest that money in local area.
 

editor

hiraethified
Rent it out on commercial basis for a few years. Then invest that money in local area.
They could have given the land over to local market traders - like the ones who had been kicked out of the arches. Even though they're not the on-trend, entrepreneurial kind that Lambeth loves - or have the backing of Mayfair property developers - it would have taken real skill for them to post immense losses over a long, rent free period.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
What should have happened is that when Pop lease was running out the Council should have gone out and consulted locals on giving a new lease. What they like / dislike about Pop. What should be written into any new agreement between Pop and Council.

What actually happened was Council turning up to a Brixton Neighborhood forum to tell local community Council had given Pop a new lease. Didn't go down well
 

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
What should have happened is that when Pop lease was running out the Council should have gone out and consulted locals on giving a new lease. What they like / dislike about Pop. What should be written into any new agreement between Pop and Council.

What actually happened was Council turning up to a Brixton Neighborhood forum to tell local community Council had given Pop a new lease. Didn't go down well
Same old scene with Lambeth Council: give business a reach-around, but kick the local communities up the arse.
 

editor

hiraethified
Excellent analysis of the dubious housing strategy of Pop's stinking rich co-owners, The Collective.

Read together, the price, exclusivity, substandard size of bedrooms and cynical view of community have been rightly highlighted as criticisms of the building. The most alarming feature of The Collective Old Oak though isn’t the banality of its architecture, the vague claims of solving a housing shortage or the pessimistic idea of a narcissistic youth driven through the next networking opportunity. The most alarming feature is this “new way of living”, is in fact a commodified old way of living; one that is steeped in the language of modernism yet robbed of its radical social intent.

CEO of The Collective, Reza Merchant’s, claims of a youth being “far more willing to invest in experiences versus material possessions” or the building’s description as “a way of living focused on a genuine sense of community, using shared spaces and facilities to create a more convenient and fulfilling lifestyle” could easily be used to describe British inter-war experiments in modernism. In fact, the parallels between ‘The Collective Old Oak’ and inter-war modernist pioneer, Wells Coates ‘Isokon’ – or Lawn Road – in north London are striking.
Seen in this historical context, The Collective Old Oak and wider co-living developments, mark a worrying shift where not only does neoliberal urbanism erode the last remnants of the welfare state – in the form of council housing sell offs and redevelopments – it further hijacks and monetizes the very ideas traditionally in resistance to unfettered development. And let’s be clear, The Collective LLP aren’t aligned with a wider movement of social reformers, they’re aligned with investors who want a return on capital. This return is clearly fruitful – The Collective LLP with PLP Architecture look set to gain planning permission for a larger self-contained development in East London, scaling up their “innovative form of rental accommodation” to 30 storeys. With it, an aptly regressive housing strategy sold as progressive continues.
The Collective is Not a New Way of Living – It’s an Old One, Commodified - Failed Architecture
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Excellent analysis of the dubious housing strategy of Pop's stinking rich co-owners, The Collective.



The Collective is Not a New Way of Living – It’s an Old One, Commodified - Failed Architecture
Interesting article.

On the post war " welfare state" architecture:

Underlying this was a social agenda that held civic value above monetary motives; a belief that a decent standard of life should be available to all through healthcare, housing and work reforms; that all this could be achieved through planning the future.
Very much the ethos behind the design of the Brixton Rec. A reason why it got listed. It really should not take being listed to get the social agenda in the quote above (partially) protected.

Ive been at meetings about the Rec overlooking Pop. Thinking I don't want the Rec to end up like Pop.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Excellent analysis of the dubious housing strategy of Pop's stinking rich co-owners, The Collective.



The Collective is Not a New Way of Living – It’s an Old One, Commodified - Failed Architecture
Another thing. On sharing facilities as a good thing. Like it's new great idea.

I did this in 70s Plymouth. Most flats didn't have bathrooms. So we used the wash house at end the road. Which was Council run. And from what I remember good and clean.

I've mixed feelings on "communal facilities". In Plymouth the new Council housing with facilities in each flat was seen at time as step forward.

Chatting to my brother today. Like he said there were three flats in our house, in 70s in Plymouth, and we shared one toliet. Like he said that wasn't unusual then.

I got a new washing machine before Christmas. Cheaper and more convenient than Loughborough junction launderette. But I miss the chats I had in Launderette. And being in touch with the cross section of people who live in LJ.

So yes having all "mod cons" is improvement. But there is loss of collective life.

I do think however it's not something that should be returned to.

The Collective "communal" living isn't really progressive. People are paying a lot for a glorified bedsit.
 
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equationgirl

Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Another thing. On sharing facilities as a good thing. Like it's new great idea.

I did this in 70s Plymouth. Most flats didn't have bathrooms. So we used the wash house at end the road. Which was Council run. And from what I remember good and clean.

I've mixed feelings on "communal facilities". In Plymouth the new Council housing with facilities in each flat was seen at time as step forward.

Chatting to my brother today. Like he said there were three flats in our house, in 70s in Plymouth, and we shared one toliet. Like he said that wasn't unusual then.

I got a new washing machine before Christmas. Cheaper and more convenient than Loughborough junction launderette. But I miss the chats I had in Launderette. And being in touch with the cross section of people who live in LJ.

So yes having all "mod cons" is improvement. But there is loss of collective life.

I do think however it's not something that should be returned to.

The Collective "communal" living isn't really progressive. People are paying a lot for a glorified bedsit.
Ii had a look at the Collective's website to see what they offered - two options, either a studio or an ensuite room, both of which have access to kitchen, living space etc.

The studio was more expensive (£290 pw vs £245 iirc) but I couldn't actually work out what you got for that. Other than a slimline bank account.
 

SpamMisery

Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Beer festival's just kicked off; runs until 2345 tomorrow. Free entry and free beer tasting. Winner.
 

editor

hiraethified
Imagine reading that if you didn’t know who League of Gentlemen are?
Oh, please do tell us all here what this imaginary person who has never heard of the League of Gentlemen would think. I'm sure it's going to be something quite amazing.

Any comment on the claim that a "bumper harvest" was grown at Pop Brixton "by local people for local people"? Were they handing out the immense harvest to people on the local estates perhaps?
 

SpamMisery

Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Free entry all dayer on Saturday hosted by local Brixton promoters No Long Ting. Reggae, dance hall, soul etc. Kicks off at midday. I've not heard of any of the DJs but looks alright for a last of summer sun weekend



Oh
 

SpamMisery

Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Brixton Design Trail: A Film Night

Free event kicks off at 1900 tonight.

Young filmmakers present their latest projects. Opportunity for the audience (and industry professionals) to provide feedback. Audience feedback? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
 

editor

hiraethified
Here's another event for all the community!

Event For The New Zealand Cellar

When we say GARAGE you say SALE! Yes, you read that correctly our festive wine enthusiasts - Christmas is coming early this year in the form of our annual Garage Sale. For those of you new to the fold The Garage Sale is a day of frivolity, killer tunes, festive cheer … oh and more than 60 wines at ridiculously discounted prices. This is the one day of the year you can get all your Christmas gifts sorted, hang out with wine-minded people and satisfy all your drinking needs.

Oh and did we mention The Australian Cellar will be making it’s first debut too? Well, now you know!

All of this for £10? No we’re not crazy - we just like you that much. Get your ticket, get involved and get wined up!

When: Saturday 8th December 12-5pm

Where: Pop Box, Pop Brixton, 49 Brixton Station Road, SW98PQ.
 

Gramsci

Well-Known Member
Well, this is nice. First commercial Bavarian booze ups and now royal visits. Now that's what I call a community asset!

Another Royal visit for the loss making Pop Brixton as King and Queen of the Netherlands set to visit shipping containers
From the website:

A visit to the south London district of Brixton will highlight common social challenges such as integration, safety and diverse groups living together in a single neighbourhood. Pop Brixton supports local jobs, training and enterprise by providing space for startups and social projects. The businesses all invest at least one hour a week to support local activities with their knowledge and skills. By working with schools, charities and community organisations they nurture engagement with the local community. The King and Queen will visit Pop Brixton together with the Earl and Countess of Wessex.
Programme for the state visit to the United Kingdom

How do Pop manage to get this PR? Whoever is doing it is doing a great job.

And I sm struggling to see how Pop helps with integration.

Plus I find something objectionable about aristocracy coming to Brixton to see "social challenges".
 
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