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Pop Brixton (formerly Grow Brixton) Pope's Road development

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Mar 27, 2014.

  1. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    LJ Works is a bit different has it has GLA funding, 25 year life and is on a site zoned for industry ( so no permanent eateries). But I share concerns with people on the estate. They want something with proper training opportunities with proper qualifications at end . At moment looks like Tree Shepherd running courses for single parents to try out "foodie" ideas and become "entrepreneural". Which at meetings they have been critical. This isn't providing opportunities to progress to secure well paid work. As residents on estate say , not real qualifications. ( It's also imo about the working class learning to provide services for the well off. The new service class.)
     
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  2. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I've been criticising Lambeth for years regarding the transitory nature of most of the work and training "opportunities" the provide or sponsor. Part of their spiel on estate "regeneration" is that jobs opportunities will be provided, but - interestingly, at least to me - they can't show, with regard to any of their current schemes, even Somerleyton, that such opportunities will extend much past the completion of development. To me too much of it is premised on the developers funding training and providing jobs as a tick on their "corporate social responsibility" boxes, with no real interest beyond that, and the council see this as a good sop to anti-regeneration public sentiment: "Look, we're creating jobs! Don't you want jobs?".
     
  3. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member


    In the LJ Works project the architects were hoping to have a scheme where locals could be involved in learning skills in design and build as part of the project. This was used to sell the project to locals. Now this won't happen as we are know told the funding won't stretch that far. Instead they will be encouraging contractors who will build the project to take on local labour and do training. People's expectations are raised then we are told this is as good as it gets.

    This has parralels with the meanwhile use of the Pop site. People expectations are raised when consultation is done. Then it doesn't quite turn out that way.

    Yet Council still say it's a success. Rather than looking at it objectively and seeing what bits worked and what didn't.

    Listened to a radio programme tonight on business and the state. New Labour accepted the Thatcherite neo liberalism. With the caveat that they should persuade business to be socially responsible. Sadiq Khan was mentioned on the programme as he is taking the same line.

    Imo it doesn't work. Whatever the pros and cons of Pop business such as Network Rail don't have to sign up to this model. It's where the New Labour project falls down. Cajoling Capitalism to behave better isn't going to happen.

    Pop is stand alone project. It's not going to be a model that can be replicated elsewhere.
     
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  4. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    And then on the ground this translates to, "we mentioned it one in a meeting".

    Alex
     
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  5. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

  6. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    What's the story there?
     
  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Great to see Pop Brixton sticking to its community-focused brief, and what could be more relevant to the local community than a corporate VR Major League Baseball event, based around Boston taking on L.A.?

    [​IMG]

     
  8. twistedAM

    twistedAM Left Of The Dial

    Let them eat lobster.
     
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  9. djdando

    djdando Well-Known Member

    I was in there grabbing lunch this afternoon and, to my surprise, saw shed loads of Evelyn Grace Academy kids in there using it. So actually I would say it was engaging perfectly!
     
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  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I didn't say there was no engagement but it's a far cry from the community based offering we were promised. How the fuck Shoreditch mega-capitalist property developers The Collective came to grab a large chunk of the project site is anyone's guess. Here's what they're up to elsewhere:

    [​IMG]

    Second luxury commune gets the green light in Stratford

    Listen to this babble:
    On a related note, I'm hearing a lot about local residents getting REALLY pissed off about the noise from all the club events taking part in the 'green oasis.'
     
  11. djdando

    djdando Well-Known Member

    I am a local resident. They popped something in my letter box giving an emergency number to call if I had concerns about noise. TBH if you live in the centre of Brixton you've got to accept it. Also, by far the loudest noise comes from the blokes blaring reggae from the Function One sound system in their boot on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday night. If you don't like the noise, move to Orpington.
     
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  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    That's not really how it works though. I've never made a noise complaint in all the time I've been here. If people move into a noisy area then they have no right to complain about the existing noise, IMO.

    But if something new starts up and begins to make a fucking racket all night long, then local residents have every right to complain. Why should they have to put up with it?

    And how dare you dismiss them out of hand and tell them they should push off to Orpington. They were here long before the DJs and hipsters turned up the volume in Pop, so if anyone should do the moving, it should be the people disturbing the existing community and not the families and long term residents living nearby.
     
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  13. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    That part of Brixton was not in the centre of what is now the entertainment zone. Before Pop it was a car park. Nearby is the Brixton Rec. The estate by Pop was there years before Pop came on the scene. To say that people shouldn't move to areas where historically there have been bars and clubs for years is one thing this is not the case here.
     
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  14. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery I bet you think this tagline's about you?

    All new establishments should be quiet. In fact no music at new establishments. No drinking or talking would be preferable.
     
  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Here's how it looked the last time I passed.

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    #persil
     
  16. blameless77

    blameless77 Well-Known Member

    Mmm, some people hanging out! Is that any way offensive? Seriously what is the problem?
     
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  17. blameless77

    blameless77 Well-Known Member

    Oh really- 'persil', just what are you implying?
     
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  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It was supposed to be a project for all the community and not a very narrow, and very white and reasonably well off demographic of mainly tourists. If you're OK with that, that's fine.
     
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  19. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I don't believe he's implying anything. It's pretty obvious from the picture that the queue is comprised of white people in a greater proportion than the local demographic. I'm pretty sure that wasn't the original intention, but it's certainly been the reality of Pop Brixton. Personally I don't see that as a good thing. Apart from anything else, it makes locals feel self-conscious about the place. Such queues signify "this isn't for the likes of you, indigenous Brixtonites".

    (awaits the usual suspects and their bleating)
     
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  20. elmpp

    elmpp Well-Known Member

    what a knob
     
  21. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    And off you go for three months. Enjoy your summer.
     
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  22. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    After seeing this thread bump we've decided to head to Brixton this evening for a walk around and get dinner at Pop #tourist
     
  23. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It's perfect for you.
     
  24. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    Great! And I thank Urban75's effective though unintentional Web Personalisation Marketing that sends us there this evening :D
     
  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Enjoy your evening amongst your fellow demographic.
     
  26. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    Thanks! If I see you lurking around taking photographs I might come and say hi but to be fair I probably won't.
     
  27. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I've no interest in hanging out in Pop Brixton, thanks. It's for tourists with more cash then sense.
     
  28. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    And for those taking furtive photographs
     
  29. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    By Christ you're boring. Enjoy your yuppie evening.
     
  30. Mr Retro

    Mr Retro TwentyFourThousand

    If you read up the thread it's you engaged me. If I'm so boring please refrain from doing so again. But thanks for the good wishes nevertheless.
     

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