Poll Tax riots - 15 years on
- Thread starter Divisive Cotton
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Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I was on top of my b/f's shoulders trying to see what was happening and spotted the horses appearing out of the side streets and then suddenly a few minutes later a load of horses came charging towards us. Jumped down and jumped across a barrier which happened to be a double-tiered barrier and ended up nearly getting crushed between the two barriers. 
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
which is why thatcher said that the poll tax was a great success.Sid said:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Divisive Cotton said:
It might seem unusual for such a rightwing (to put it politely) union to do that, but it isn't that surprising, Single men and women living in Prison Service "quarters" were usually in "houseshare" situations, which at the time meant that a lot of those households were paying 6 or 8 poll tax charges (they didn't get the same concessions that the military and the bill did).
The POA HAD to be a bit militant about it because so many of their junior members were affected by it. There would have been severe ructions if they hadn't, and given that at the time certain elements within the Home Office were encouraging splits in the POA....well, I'm sure you catch my drift!
Sorry mate not a lefty
Left has been dead 30 years, so your point is?
John Major's vote went up in 1992, but why were they voting Major and nor Maggie? Where had Maggie gone and why?
If a week is a long time in politics then how much can change in 2 years? I have never claimed that the political reality of the Poll Tax lasted but what political reality ever lasts? People have a very short attention span and a short memory.
Immediately after the Poll Tax the dance music scene suddenly took off and vast amounts of new drugs, supplied by organised crime the favoured and deniable conduit of the intelligence services, became suddenly and inexplicably available to every one. Many people at the time and subsequently did not think this was accidental. The state prefers people bombed out of their minds if the alternative is rioting, and you do not riot on e! Ok I admit I also think Techno is shit so I am a bit bias about this.
In 1992 the Poll Tax had ceased to exist and the Council Tax was on its way in. The media had run the famous grass up a poll-tax rioter campaign and as I said earlier everyone was freaked-out. The "nice" Mr Major replaced the "nasty" Maggie, so middle-England could vote for a someone.....remember the alternative was Kinnock (the biggest lefty looser I can think of!) so the result was a walk over. After all what possible alternative was there to vote for or campaign around?
Kinnock had done nothing about the Poll Tax or the Miners or the Printworkers but had been running witch hunts of Militant. Not a bad thing in itself, a senior member of Militant told me in 1989 that they would achieve a revolution within 5 years and I would be the first to be shot.
However, I cannot understand your arguement:-
An unjust tax is defeated, by accident rather than the left, and replaced by a mildly less offensive local tax
Maggie is booted out of office by her own party
Kinnock did not win the 1992 election
This was a win, win, win situation as far as I can see!
Left has been dead 30 years, so your point is?
John Major's vote went up in 1992, but why were they voting Major and nor Maggie? Where had Maggie gone and why?
If a week is a long time in politics then how much can change in 2 years? I have never claimed that the political reality of the Poll Tax lasted but what political reality ever lasts? People have a very short attention span and a short memory.
Immediately after the Poll Tax the dance music scene suddenly took off and vast amounts of new drugs, supplied by organised crime the favoured and deniable conduit of the intelligence services, became suddenly and inexplicably available to every one. Many people at the time and subsequently did not think this was accidental. The state prefers people bombed out of their minds if the alternative is rioting, and you do not riot on e! Ok I admit I also think Techno is shit so I am a bit bias about this.
In 1992 the Poll Tax had ceased to exist and the Council Tax was on its way in. The media had run the famous grass up a poll-tax rioter campaign and as I said earlier everyone was freaked-out. The "nice" Mr Major replaced the "nasty" Maggie, so middle-England could vote for a someone.....remember the alternative was Kinnock (the biggest lefty looser I can think of!) so the result was a walk over. After all what possible alternative was there to vote for or campaign around?
Kinnock had done nothing about the Poll Tax or the Miners or the Printworkers but had been running witch hunts of Militant. Not a bad thing in itself, a senior member of Militant told me in 1989 that they would achieve a revolution within 5 years and I would be the first to be shot.
However, I cannot understand your arguement:-
An unjust tax is defeated, by accident rather than the left, and replaced by a mildly less offensive local tax
Maggie is booted out of office by her own party
Kinnock did not win the 1992 election
This was a win, win, win situation as far as I can see!
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I was involved in local ant-PT stuff but was ill on the big day (i've got a Drs note..) 
Often wondered what happened to that woman who was mown down by a police horse in one of their charges (it featured in the Ch4 documentary). the force with which she went down looked absolutely horrendous.
Often wondered what happened to that woman who was mown down by a police horse in one of their charges (it featured in the Ch4 documentary). the force with which she went down looked absolutely horrendous.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
& rightly so! 
Me and some mates came straight off a nightshift in the steelworks and on to the bus down to London. too exited to sleep on the bus cos we knew it was going to be a good one (plus we got a few hours kip in work the night before).
great atmosphere, friendly crowd. very stupid rozzers.
they forced a line through the march at whitehall and charged into the crowd trying to bust a boy who set fire to a union jack on a flag pole. one copper got hold of the boy in a bearhug but the momentum caried him deep into the crowd where the rozzer was stranded trying to hold onto the lad. my mate gave the copper one hell of a kick up the arse (we still had our works stealies on). the copper went down and the boy escaped. does PBP have any mates with a five inch wide arsehole? that was our lot.
never made it to trafalgar square but had a grand day out none the less.
came back the next year for the follow up march, a couple of days after they anounced the scrapping of it, so we just went on the piss instead.
great atmosphere, friendly crowd. very stupid rozzers.
they forced a line through the march at whitehall and charged into the crowd trying to bust a boy who set fire to a union jack on a flag pole. one copper got hold of the boy in a bearhug but the momentum caried him deep into the crowd where the rozzer was stranded trying to hold onto the lad. my mate gave the copper one hell of a kick up the arse (we still had our works stealies on). the copper went down and the boy escaped. does PBP have any mates with a five inch wide arsehole? that was our lot.
never made it to trafalgar square but had a grand day out none the less.
came back the next year for the follow up march, a couple of days after they anounced the scrapping of it, so we just went on the piss instead.
Come on Tom
If there is a revolution in this country I always hoped it would be along the lines of the Ealing comedy "Passport to Pimlico" rather than Russia 1917 or China 1948. Certainly I would trust the revolutionary potential of Stanley Holloway and Margaret Rutherford more than Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin or Mao! Of course Charles Hawtrey might have to be purged.
If there is a revolution in this country I always hoped it would be along the lines of the Ealing comedy "Passport to Pimlico" rather than Russia 1917 or China 1948. Certainly I would trust the revolutionary potential of Stanley Holloway and Margaret Rutherford more than Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin or Mao! Of course Charles Hawtrey might have to be purged.
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