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Political violence and age bulge

Convenient. 'Political violence' increases when there's an increase in hormonally unstable young men, not when the political stakes are raised.

I think you'll find there are far more obvious reasons why political violence in Palestine is high than anything to do with the youth demographic.

Remember guys, expressing your distaste for the system is just a sign of immaturity!

Well violence becomes inevitable if people are left with nothing. It's possibly true of Chechnya. In a middle class home i don't think someone's support for some sort of taking arms in a glorious revolution is going to be anything but a a passing phase.
 
I think in the majority of cases those who shout loudest about 'political violence' and killing the pigs are those with the least experience of what violence of any form, political or otherwise, probably is, and would probably be rightfully horrified if they ever did witness it.

I recall a rather nervous, bookish chap who produced a sub-Class War type paper in the mid 80s called, absurdly, 'Flamethrower'. The fact he is now a practicing buddhist and runs an organic food co-op suggests it rather unlikely he would ever have been very enthusiastic had he ever been called upon to burn people alive.

there are exceptions to every rule of course, but thankfully they seem to be a very small minority otherwise there's probably be a few more david copeland style characters leaping about letting nail-bombs off all over the shop.

i agree with that.
 
Is it not possible that rather than large, young populations being the root of political violence, it is infact areas of the world which are deprived and politically oppressed which (for material and economic reasons) have higher birthrates?

wrt 'passing phases', you'll find that this analysis simply doesn't square up with historical reality.
 
Not a call out at all. I find political violence sickening and believe it can only be carried out by lunatic people or those fundamentally lacking socio-psychologically in qualities I' rd consider essential to being a proper human being- as i imagine do most of the normal mainstream population. The bravadissmo of young men who brag of kicking people's ribs in, or carrying knives etc often repels in that it indicates basically frightened individuals trying to over- compensate. But I have an admiration for seemingly balanced people such as Peter Tatchell that knowingly put themselves in harm's way or take a beating for their cause.

ffs, while there may be something ( a little something) in the fact that the youth have less to lose in terms of jobs, kids, houses etc the analysis that political violence is sickening leaves the status quo untouched. Sure, the state denounces political violence e.g. during miners' strike, whilst simultaneously and unashemedly employing the Met (their special bodies of armed men) to carry out that violence on their own behalf. As for weakindividuals needing to brag, maybe on an individual level with today's youth. But from my experience there wasn't bragging during the days of RAR/ early ANL or RA/ AFA and others, but a recognition that even talking about it in some pubs could compromise those involved, getting drunk would make you a liability to those around you through being a less effective fighter and more likely to have loose lips. They were people prepared to put their liberty, livelihoods and physical well being on the line at a moment's notice - just so liberal librarians could have meetings, attend gigs in an area that the e.g. fascists were trying to make 'no -go' . AFA, by the way, also did meetings and exhibitions at school in the East End - it was a battle for hearts and minds of the disenfranchised white working class youth, many of whom were all too ready to join the fash after a spot of lefty bashing. They were far less likely to do so when they saw these so called hard men high tailing it up the road from what was supposed to be their manor. And if it weren't for the actions of e.g. AFA, it probably would be their manor. Even JFK said something like, those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable.
 
ffs, while there may be something ( a little something) in the fact that the youth have less to lose in terms of jobs, kids, houses etc the analysis that political violence is sickening leaves the status quo untouched. Sure, the state denounces political violence e.g. during miners' strike, whilst simultaneously and unashemedly employing the Met (their special bodies of armed men) to carry out that violence on their own behalf. As for weakindividuals needing to brag, maybe on an individual level with today's youth. But from my experience there wasn't bragging during the days of RAR/ early ANL or RA/ AFA and others, but a recognition that even talking about it in some pubs could compromise those involved, getting drunk would make you a liability to those around you through being a less effective fighter and more likely to have loose lips. They were people prepared to put their liberty, livelihoods and physical well being on the line at a moment's notice - just so liberal librarians could have meetings, attend gigs in an area that the e.g. fascists were trying to make 'no -go' . AFA, by the way, also did meetings and exhibitions at school in the East End - it was a battle for hearts and minds of the disenfranchised white working class youth, many of whom were all too ready to join the fash after a spot of lefty bashing. They were far less likely to do so when they saw these so called hard men high tailing it up the road from what was supposed to be their manor. And if it weren't for the actions of e.g. AFA, it probably would be their manor. Even JFK said something like, those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable.

i don't think anyone is talking about RA/AFA battering nazis mate. that is one instance in which means always justify ends.
 
I can only really offer cod psychology.

So, if you only have Cod psychology to offer what about the possibility that you have cause and effect mixed up, as others have suggested.

Is it possible that the demography of Palestine is possibly the result of 50 years of political violence, poverty, and migration (forced or otherwise)? If World War II produced a baby boom in Europe, presumably 50 odd years of conflict will have had some impact on the demography of the Palestinian communities.
 
i don't think anyone is talking about RA/AFA battering nazis mate. that is one instance in which means always justify ends.

Does it really? you kick someone unconscious throw a brick at the skin's head "catch their head a beauty as they go down with the the crack of your boot against their skull"... I mean remind yourselves you're supposed to be civilised human beings capable of empathy not disturbed pyschopaths from broken homes. Or do you believe it's right to kill someone because they see the world from a different perspective?

Mike you don't think AFA/RA brag about their violence? What accounts have you been reading then not the ones I have.

And before you all say I' m fash in disguise, this sangfroid of Red action reminds me of the Albert Perripoint book i was reading about Britain's last hangman. It was full of this gloating about these criminals shitting themselves in fear in their cell the night before they were led to scientifically designed scaffold for execution and the book came full of all this sneering shadenfroid from the hangman about how funny that was and how he didn't feel a second's sympathy for the "animal" because of what he'rd done. I mean honestly- if you support Red action then do you support capital punishment? Is the latter a reel into cruelty and not the former? tell me why? what's your reasoning on this?
 
What if the op has the cause and effect the wrong way around?

Is it not possible that rather than large, young populations being the root of political violence, it is infact areas of the world which are deprived and politically oppressed which (for material and economic reasons) have higher birthrates?

wrt 'passing phases', you'll find that this analysis simply doesn't square up with historical reality.

thelibrarian so you recognise that you've the cart before the horse?

So would you fight to defend your own home?
 
And before you all say I' m fash in disguise, this sangfroid of Red action reminds me of the Albert Perripoint book i was reading about Britain's last hangman. It was full of this gloating about these criminals shitting themselves in fear in their cell the night before they were led to scientifically designed scaffold for execution and the book came full of all this sneering shadenfroid from the hangman about how funny that was and how he didn't feel a second's sympathy for the "animal" because of what he'rd done.

Rubbish. Pierrepoint was a relatively humane man (for a hangman!) who took pains to execute his victims as swiftly as possible and with some semblance of dignity. He 'extended gentle hands' as he put it, so as to minimise their distress. After his career was over, Pierrepoint wavered in his views over the value of capital punishment, at times seeing it as vindictive and unnecessary.

If you really had read any book about Pierrepoint, you would have known all this. You're a bullshitter.
 
So Nelson Mandela, the French Resistance, George Washington and the suffregettes were all just hormonally unbalanced yobs up for a ruck?
 
Why won't the opening poster engage with the argument that they have confused cause and effect?
 
The social scientist Gunnar Heinsohn in his book Sons and World Power argues that when 15 to 29-year-olds make up more than 30 per cent of the population, there is a good chance that violence will follow.

:hmm: He also seems more than scientifically concerned about 'Islamisierung', and suggests encouraging Chinese immigration to Europe to counter a rising Arab population:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/06/continent-of-losers.html

The fact seems to be that young men above any other group in society will tend the most to see violence as a solution to problems.

This isn't a conclusion based on Heinsohn's book, so why link the two?
 
If you really had read any book about Pierrepoint, you would have known all this. You're a bullshitter.

maybe he's getting Pierrepoint confused with Robespierre. Their names are kind of similar and, errr...that's about it really. Nah, he's a bullshitter. :)
 
Does it really? you kick someone unconscious throw a brick at the skin's head "catch their head a beauty as they go down with the the crack of your boot against their skull"... I mean remind yourselves you're supposed to be civilised human beings capable of empathy not disturbed pyschopaths from broken homes. Or do you believe it's right to kill someone because they see the world from a different perspective?

Mike you don't think AFA/RA brag about their violence? What accounts have you been reading then not the ones I have.

And before you all say I' m fash in disguise, this sangfroid of Red action reminds me of the Albert Perripoint book i was reading about Britain's last hangman. It was full of this gloating about these criminals shitting themselves in fear in their cell the night before they were led to scientifically designed scaffold for execution and the book came full of all this sneering shadenfroid from the hangman about how funny that was and how he didn't feel a second's sympathy for the "animal" because of what he'rd done. I mean honestly- if you support Red action then do you support capital punishment? Is the latter a reel into cruelty and not the former? tell me why? what's your reasoning on this?

'what accounts have I been reading...?' didn't need to read any. Get out the library. sorry, but this isn't worthy of a considered reply. 'either decent human beings or disturbed psychopaths from broken homes' there you are, not worthy of further reply. Off to fix my home and watch a snuff movie.
 
The social scientist Gunnar Heinsohn in his book Sons and World Power argues that when 15 to 29-year-olds make up more than 30 per cent of the population, there is a good chance that violence will follow. There are 67 countries in the world where there is such a bulge and there is violence in 60 of them. He cites the Palestinian territories and Afghanistan as examples and contrasts them with, say, Tunisia or even the passing of the youth peak in Lebanon.

The fact seems to be that young men above any other group in society will tend the most to see violence as a solution to problems.This makes sense even in Britain where the most violent groups in the past such as red action comprised in effect the baby boomers. With those people now having families and approaching middle age the incidences of political violence in this country were bound to decrease.

Would you say skull shape has an effect as well?
 
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