Polish Nazis on the rise in the UK?

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by manny-p, Nov 5, 2013.

  1. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    There's a bit of Leeds near me where a few fascists at the loony end of the scale are active - in the past I've seen British People's Party stickers on the bus stop, and about a decade ago racist graffiti on an immigrant-run shop. I'd love some polish Antifa stickers to pop on a few lampposts down there as it'd doubly fuck them off!
  2. Limerick Red

    Limerick Red Мы вас похороним!

    Pm me yer address, I'll send ya up some
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  3. malatesta32

    malatesta32 Not Serb. No, Really!

    blimey, the BPP are still alive? sid williamson, watmough, mcdermody, geass stampton, etc's. surprised they could organise a few stickers between them. no-marks.
  4. intersol32

    intersol32 Well-Known Member

    I've probably mentioned this before, but the concept of anyone being a Polish Nazi is ridiculous in the extreme.

    The Nazis considered Poles to be only slightly above Jews in the racial hierarchy. After the invasion they not only broke up the country (re-naming a large part of it as "The General Government Area"), they executed most of their intellectual elite, stole much of their art treasures whilst Gauleiter of Poland Hans Frank intended to make sure that "Poles only received enough education to be able to read our road signs, so that our tanks don't run them over."

    Being a Polish Nazi is probably akin to being an African American KKK member.
  5. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Anti-semitism in Poland?
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  6. Anudder Oik

    Anudder Oik heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet

    Things simply don't work the way you explain here. Nazis don't have to reason things through. The question is, what do neo nazis think of their polish counterparts now?
  7. Limerick Red

    Limerick Red Мы вас похороним!

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  8. Fuchs66

    Fuchs66 Ring a ding

    As is being a Russian Nazis or a Latvian communist! Doesn't mean they don't exist.
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  9. sunnysidedown

    sunnysidedown caput mortuum

    Nazism, the designer label of fascism.
  10. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

  11. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

    They aren't Nazis, what it illustrates is the ridiculousness of labelling every rightist a 'Nazi'.
  12. Fuchs66

    Fuchs66 Ring a ding

    Of course they aren't members of the German NSDAP of the 1930's and 1940's but Nazi has become synonymous with organised and violent far-right organisations or individuals and as such can be used in a casual setting such as this, IMO of course.
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2014
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  13. intersol32

    intersol32 Well-Known Member

    Belushi...that link doesn't seem to work.

    Plus, I'm 100% in agreement with Fuchs' point above.

    I'm not exactly referencing the Polish equivalent of the Conservative Party here.
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  14. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

    But the problem with Fuchs position that Nazi has become synonymous with organised and violent far-right organisations is precisely that it leaves you unable to comprehend how Poles, Russians etc can belong to such groups.

    The Polish far right are Fascists, but they aren't Nazis - they don't admire Hitler or long for the good old days of the Third Reich.
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  15. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    fascism is inherently nationalist- hitler cults aside, its largely based in a countries own inglorious past.

    Link not working here either,if anyone has it then re-post the article thankyou please
  16. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Yes and no: have a read of this for a history of pan European fascism, now a dominant thread among contemporary fascisms:

    Europe For The Europeans:Fascist Myths Of The New Order 1922 - 1992

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  17. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    BA: summarise that tract.

    Edited to add: I'm far too lazy and somewhat curt. Apologies.
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2014
  18. intersol32

    intersol32 Well-Known Member

    Whilst I agree that there is sometimes a deviation from what one could consider the 1930's German National Socialist influence on many modern Fascist groups, I think it becomes problematic when we talk about any kind of logical comprehension.

    Like Butchers and Dot.com suggest, much of the Far Right (or extreme Nationalist) groups indulge in a considerable amount of myth making. This includes (but not exclusively) the promotion of either a completely non-existent, or at least slightly distorted "history" of what some of them claim is a pure white "ethno European" culture. One which we must return to in order to create a stable civilisation.

    Of course this kind of thing is not particular to the Far Right necessarily, as there are quite a few Left wing groups who have indulged in similar glassy eyed concepts of the early Russian Soviet era etc.

    Nevertheless, it's worthwhile noting that many Fascist groups are acutely aware that Nazism as such suffers from certain "brand" issues. Therefore it's usually important (at least amongst those who are not completely overboard raging nutjobs) that they downplay the associations with things like Concentration Camps and roving murderous bands of Einsatzgruppen. This is why they end up talking about stuff like the Artanaman League and agrarian communal living instead.
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2014
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  19. tony.c

    tony.c Well-Known Member

    There are six Poles standing as 'Polish Pride' candidates in two wards in the local council elections in my borough. I presume they are looking to get known to the local Polish residents and recruit, as they stand no chance of being elected
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  20. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    I don’t think Polish Pride here is a far right outfit. It’s led by that Zylinski bloke who challenged Nigel Farage to a duel.
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  21. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

  22. tony.c

    tony.c Well-Known Member

    Thanks. We had assumed they were right wing, no leaflets or literature seen yet. There were some guesses that they might be a Polish Gay group!
    They don't seem too bad then from your link, but I still don't think they will get any councillors elected here.
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  23. DaveCinzano


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