Police everywhere, justice nowhere - Public meeting in Brixton Tue 24th Nov

[Laughing Toad]

*yawn*

That's OK Blagsta, you can go back to bed, it's not your day to sign on. Leave the front door unlocked though so that your 14 year old son can get in easily at 1am.

And when he gets arrested don't forget to tell everyone that it's not your fault you're a bad parent. Blame poverty.

 

[co-op]

fair inequality, lol

The bit that's making me chuckle is that I missed Mr Toad's obsession with "black boys" early doors. Oh well.

 

[Blagsta]

That's OK Blagsta, you can go back to bed, it's not your day to sign on. Leave the front door unlocked though so that your 14 year old son can get in easily at 1am.

And when he gets arrested don't forget to tell everyone that it's not your fault you're a bad parent. Blame poverty.

lol

 

[editor]

Because I believe black boys shouldn't be allowed to roam the streets at 1am?

Why don't you mention the white boys who roam the streets at 1am? Are you racist or something?

 

[co-op]

Why don't you mention the white boys who roam the streets at 1am? Are you racist or something?

No, apparently everyone else is racist because we didn't mention skin colour or think it relevant. Or something.

 

[Laughing Toad]

Why don't you mention the white boys who roam the streets at 1am? Are you racist or something?

I'm no more racist than most people here. I mentioned the black boys because that's what CH1 said he saw:

That's what I would have thought - but back in 1994 I was stopped in Brixton Station Road at about 1.00 am because a pair of coppers cruising round in their car thought I was gay and cruising for sex.

Whilst I was being searched there was a constant stream of young - and I mean YOUNG i.e. 14-16 year old black boys being take in for the same sort of treatment.

 

[Blagsta]

LOL!

 

[netbob]

It's just common sense really.

But that's not even the point. The point is that poverty is not an excuss for bringing up your children badly. Memespring said
"Parent's ability to be 'responsible' is determined by lots of factors, not always within their control."

I'm saying it is always within their control. There are no factors which force parents to bring up their children badly.

To clarify (again), I wasn't suggesting that for a second (its was only a two sentence post ffs). I was just pointing out that there are factors that make it easier or harder for particular families (income, opportunities, working hours etc).

 

[tbaldwin]

You're making this up, aren't you Balders? Your examples seem to conveniently to back your weirdo viewpoints up. And what the hell has 'institutional indifference to young working class men' got to do with it - the police are hardly set apart from that group, are they?

Trust me, once you're repeatedly stopped by police - and customer service and politeness isn't their usual strong point - then tensions begin to grate. I've lived here for over 30 years now and I can point to plenty of experience that it is largely as simple as that for many folks. Even if there was a level playing field elswhere, which of course there isn't, indiscriminate use of stop and search will lead to people's impressions of the law being coloured from an early age. Why respect a force that is rude and discriminatory to you from an early age and shows little sign of change. It's not just that of course, but it's difficult to underestimate just how much that feeling of resentment and unfairness sticks with you. Especially when it happens again and again, both to yourself and people you love.

What exactly do you think i am making up tarranau. And what do you think is so weird about my point of view?

 

[Brixton Hatter]

well you appear to think that none of the tension between the locals and the police has anything to do with how the police treat the locals. that's pretty weird.

 

[tbaldwin]

well you appear to think that none of the tension between the locals and the police has anything to do with how the police treat the locals. that's pretty weird.

That is not what i think or what ive said at all.

 

[Winot]

We shame them.
(Shame is unacceptable for things people are powerless to change, but perfectly acceptable for things which people can change)

What do you think happens at the moment? Do you really think that society applauds and elevates the poor? More shame will just widen the gap and exacerbate the problem.

co-op is right - the main problem with your 'socks-up' thesis is that it doesn't work. If it makes you feel better about yourself feel free to carry on - just don't expect me to take you seriously.

("outsmart" - FFS )

 

[CH1]

Anyone know what happened at the meeting?
Are they going to take their issues to the Police Consultative Group at Stockwell Resource Centre on Tuesday 1st Dec?
Or do they think the Police Consultative Group is a sell-out?
Couldn't attend on 24th unfortunately, but I am sure these issues need to be under constant review.

 

[pboi]

mother fucking peasants everywhere!!

 

[Brixton Hatter]

That is not what i think or what ive said at all.

tell us what you think then...

 

[tbaldwin]

tell us what you think then...

I think that the police in tough inner city areas have a really difficult job. A job that some of them do really quite well and others simply dont have the ability to do well.
I think that some people want to put to far much blame on the police whilst others want to sweep under the carpet any malpractice or abuse.
I think both sides of this arguement are wrong. Areas like Hackney,Haringey and Lambeth need better policing but much much more than that they need action to tackle inequality.

 

[tarannau]

So that's an airy fairy way of saying absolutely nothing of consequence and insight then.

You may as well have said 'some cops good, some bad' in a Sven voice. Nobody has framed this as a simple oppositional argument apart from yourself - why you're talking about 'both sides' is beyond me.

 

[tbaldwin]

What exactly do you think i am making up tarranau. And what do you think is so weird about my point of view?

Go on then tarannau.

 

[tarannau]

I think you're making up viewpoints - see the 'both sides' comment above - to soapbox against. It's a bit bizarre.
regardless of

 

[tbaldwin]

I think you're making up viewpoints - see the 'both sides' comment above - to soapbox against. It's a bit bizarre.
regardless of

You think i am making up those viewpoints. Your just so infantile at times.

 

[tarannau]

You just have though Balders - you're talking about oversimplied 'both side' viewpoints which nobody on this thread has come close to. It's a duplicitious wayu of misrepresenting the thread.

You not one of those posters who provides real life data or facts to support his viewpoints - your migration bugbears are a good case in point. You tend to talk of friends, acquaintances and their supposed viewpoints, which to a long term resident like me often seem massively and suspiciously divergent from the views I hear every day.
<shrugs>

 

[tbaldwin]

You just have though Balders - you're talking about oversimplied 'both side' viewpoints which nobody on this thread has come close to. It's a duplicitious wayu of misrepresenting the thread.

You not one of those posters who provides real life data or facts to support his viewpoints - your migration bugbears are a good case in point. You tend to talk of friends, acquaintances and their supposed viewpoints, which to a long term resident like me often seem massively and suspiciously divergent from the views I hear every day.
<shrugs>

You do talk a lot of Crap. Because i disagree with your turgid views on migration and plenty more besides you try and dismiss me as a weirdo.
I have produced plenty of facts but unlike you i am sceptical of so called facts and statistics because i know many of these so called facts are simply made up by people with an agenda.
And as for viewpoints supposedly coming from my friends and aquaintances being different from yours. So what? You seem to have a very narrow minded view of life and maybe you spend too much time with people who either agree with you or simply switch off when you come out with your stereotyped white liberal views.

 

[tarannau]

ROFL. Produced plenty of facts my arse. Let this thread tell the story alone: you're not even capable of summarising the viewpoints on this thread without bias and yet we're meant to believe that you accurately report the views of your supposed friends and acquaintances.

You clearly know nothing about me or my friends with the white liberal accusations too.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

I think that the police in tough inner city areas have a really difficult job. A job that some of them do really quite well and others simply dont have the ability to do well.
I think that some people want to put to far much blame on the police whilst others want to sweep under the carpet any malpractice or abuse.
I think both sides of this arguement are wrong. Areas like Hackney,Haringey and Lambeth need better policing but much much more than that they need action to tackle inequality.

 

[tbaldwin]

Well i think its a balanced view based on my experiences. You can dismiss it all you like as "sitting on a fence" but what is your view? Do you have an idea on how to deal with gang warfare in inner cities? or do you just want to attack the police to show how radical you are?

 

[tbaldwin]

ROFL. Produced plenty of facts my arse. Let this thread tell the story alone: you're not even capable of summarising the viewpoints on this thread without bias and yet we're meant to believe that you accurately report the views of your supposed friends and acquaintances.

You clearly know nothing about me or my friends with the white liberal accusations too.

As usual you resort to making things up. Where exactly have i tried to "summarise the viewpoints on this thread"? When i talked about facts did i say on this thread?
Your right in one respect id guess i don't know much about you or your friends. But your views seem typical of people who swallowed white liberalism whole without really thinking about any of it critically.
Your views on migration are a classic case of shallow thinking.