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Police disguised as Protestor at Bush Demo!!!

I've seen a few cops outed at demos in the past - I recall that there were quite a few on the Brighton RTS years ago.

That Mail article is a bit odd though and something doesn't seem to ring quite true about it.
I went home from the demo feeling furious and did a little research into him. It turns out that he is on more than nodding terms with controversy.

A year ago he advertised himself on the internet looking for sexual contacts with men.

There are plenty of gay policemen - which is to be applauded - but few advertise themselves as such on the internet. It isn't sensible, let alone dignified. Still, I expect the uniform is an extra marketing tool.
Since when is a gay man - or anyone else for that matter - looking for sex on the internet 'controversial'?
 
This is the daily mail editor, anyone having sex at all is controversial.

but it's nice that middle england are acknowlegding the role of agent provocateurs these days.
 
Although the cynic in me reckons that it's because the Tories are starting to think they can deliver an electoral kicking to NuLabour over the civil liberties issue, without needing to be particularly different themselves once in power.
 
Happens all the time.

I like the at a demonstration in Quebec last year.

One of the bolshy guys with the covered face appears to be wearing police boots, as they rescue, er "manhandle" him to the floor..:D

Top marks to the Union rep who sees right through the shit, tho
 
Shouty Social Workers standing outside supermarket: "Daaaaaaily Mail! Daaaaaaily Mail! Get ya paper here!"
 
I was watching the new DVD about the Grunwick strike yesterday (available from Brent Trades Council for a tenner) and was interested to see some retired coppers many years later admitting to getting disguised and stirring it up. They did a fantastic job: as I understand it the media uproar about supposed picketing thugs was a key element in persuading the union leaderships and the Labour government to do nothing to help the strikers.
 
Draw your own conclusions!!!
That story raises way more questions than it answers.

If I had to put a bet on, I'd say he was a pissed off ex- (or soon to be ex-) officer, probably with some ongoing grievance / court case for discrimination or similar, possibly seeking to precipitate a confrontation for use in his own interests ...

(And I'd give you about 500 to 1 he isn't an official agent provocateur - such tactics simply are not used and, even if they were, you'd be a total cont to do it like that ...)

(Love the bit about the snipers too - even the dozy bitch writing the article should be capable of realising that Bush is an assasination target - what would she have been saying if someone had had a grassy knoll moment and the police response had been "Oh, never thought have that ... can anyone pop back to the Yard and see if they find a rifle and a sniper ... :rolleyes: Being there as part of contingency plans is not the same as "pointing guns at demonstrators" as she emotionally claims)
 
What makes you so sure?
1, The tactic isn't used (ETA: There have been, and will undoubtedly continue to be, instances of undercover officers infiltrated into organisations who may take part, including the commission of minor disorder offences, in order to maintain their cover but these are few and far between and would not be relevant in this scenario)
2. If it was, it wouldn't be used like that and with such a high-profile officer who's image is presumably well out there (albeit unclothed ... )
3. And it wouldn't be an Inspector ...
 
That story raises way more questions than it answers.

If I had to put a bet on, I'd say he was a pissed off ex- (or soon to be ex-) officer, probably with some ongoing grievance / court case for discrimination or similar, possibly seeking to precipitate a confrontation for use in his own interests ...

(And I'd give you about 500 to 1 he isn't an official agent provocateur - such tactics simply are not used and, even if they were, you'd be a total cont to do it like that ...)

Must of been a lot of 'pissed off ex-coppers with a grievance' during the miner's strike given the number caught out
 
That story raises way more questions than it answers.

If I had to put a bet on, I'd say he was a pissed off ex- (or soon to be ex-) officer, probably with some ongoing grievance / court case for discrimination or similar, possibly seeking to precipitate a confrontation for use in his own interests ...

(And I'd give you about 500 to 1 he isn't an official agent provocateur)

You'd agree, though, that it looks like incitement to riot and, whether or not he is on active duty, he should be prosecuted? Possibly under anti-terrorism law and possibly to face a long prison stretch?

What is it we're told? That the only way to discourage that sort of criminal behaviour is to send a clear message to others.
 
You'd agree, though, that it looks like incitement to riot and, whether or not he is on active duty, he should be prosecuted? Possibly under anti-terrorism law and possibly to face a long prison stretch?
There's nothing in that article that even suggests incitement to disorderly conduct, much less riot.
 
If I had to put a bet on, I'd say he was a pissed off ex- (or soon to be ex-) officer, probably with some ongoing grievance / court case for discrimination or similar, possibly seeking to precipitate a confrontation for use in his own interests ...
He had a promotion dropped because of an active reprimand, so seems fairly likely to resign / have resigned in the homophobic climate stirred up by the Daily Mail. <tinfoil>Maybe she wrote the article as a favour?</tinfoil> ;)

It's not at all hard to find his name and previous press stuff, if you know which mayor the Daily Mail author is likely to meet at parties.
 
1, The tactic isn't used (ETA: There have been, and will undoubtedly continue to be, instances of undercover officers infiltrated into organisations who may take part, including the commission of minor disorder offences, in order to maintain their cover but these are few and far between and would not be relevant in this scenario)
2. If it was, it wouldn't be used like that and with such a high-profile officer who's image is presumably well out there (albeit unclothed ... )
3. And it wouldn't be an Inspector ...

This is rubbish. I think the journo has written a true story in this case (not often I say that). Also I have seen senior police known to me crack heads too - at one of the Maydays. They can't give up the aggro that easily - they are just as bad as the footy hooligans they lamely criticise and send down.
 
aka the police fighting the police fighting the police fighting the police etc..

(nothing new there then?)

good fucking god are we not aware (well some of us) that the left was born out of the state infiltration of

The Communist Party of Grate Britain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communi..._Great_Britain

Born from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Creaghe

Which gave us the present day labour party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Carpenter

It has been in the interest of the state to keep a sectarian divide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_..._International

and so it goes on today

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_War

Oh how i laughed when i read this, (the fucking ironery)

New evidence has now emerged that the violent attack on the anti-Bush demonstration by the police last Sunday, 15th June, http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2008/06...p-on-bush-demo was not only premeditated but was also orchestrated by the police themselves. Yasmin Whittaker-Khan writing in yesterday’s (scum) Mail on Sunday identified one ‘protester’ as a police ‘agent provocateur’

The background is this:

On Sunday 15th June http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/401432.html the Stop the War Coalition together with the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and the British Muslim Initiative organised a peaceful protest against the visit of US President George Bush to London. (like demos are ever going to change anything)

Over the last seven years Stop the War has organised numerous http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fi...aq-480871.html demonstrations all of which have all passed off peacefully. All these events have been arranged with the co-operation of the Metropolitan police with whom the Coalition has had a good working relationship.

This time the police were clearly operating with a different agenda:

1] Whitehall was sealed off for unspecified reasons. The police had
taken the ‘political’ decision not to allow a march to proceed along
Whitehall.

2] More than 1200 police, many of whom were riot police, were deployed
to control a peace demonstration of no more than 2500 people.

3] Without provocation the police drew their batons en masse and
proceeded to attack the demonstrators. There are many independent
witnesses to this and the photographic evidence is strong. Several
people were hospitalised and others arrested indiscriminately.

4] There is evidence that the police used ‘agent provocateurs’ to try
[without success] and stir up the crowd. See the article by Yasmin
Whittaker-Khan in the Mail on Sunday 22nd June 2008.

A number of questions now need urgent attention:

a] Who took the decision to ban the march? Which government ministers
were involved? What role did the United States security services play in
this decision?

b] Why were so many police deployed?

c] Who gave the order for batons to be drawn and used?

d] Why did the police use ‘agent provocateurs’ to try and create disorder?
Were the security services involved in this sinister development?

Andrew Murray, Chair of the Stop the War Coalition, said today, ‘The premeditated attack on a peace demonstration by the police marks a further deterioration in the civil liberties of all people in Britain.
We demand a full public investigation into the events of June 15th.’

Really why is the agent provocateur issue such a problem. The article was printed in the (scum) Mail for starters with no factual evidence and little reasoning.

STWC has to except that some people oppose their pacifist (pacifying?) ideals and are prepared to confront the police. This talk of agent provocateurs is a complete non-issue regardless of its authenticity. STWC are just using this article as a means to distance themselves from the more radical fraction willing to use direct action at events like this. I honestly don’t believe the majority of people at at anti-war protests wish to tow the STWC line or even care about them they are there in opposition to an unjust war. The majority of the general public is not pacifist. Its time we built a more accommodating anti-war movement open to diverse tactics and thats primary aim isn’t furthering the careers of aging liberal dinosaurs.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/400886.html

It not surprising that the police will have plain closed officers in attendance at demos or that they would use illegal tactics in there operations but we need to get past this and learn to act accordingly with autonomy and solidarity with those prepared to act directly.
 
I don't deny agents provocateurs exist and, whether to maintain their cover or to initiate action to discredit oppositional groups or to provide grounds for more violent oppression seems immaterial -- after all in any of these cases it is deliberate deception to maintain the power of the ruling groups in society.
What concerns me is first, that we take the story from The Daily Mail at face value. Rarely is anything in the Mail innocent. Second, it would suggest that any violent opposition is state initiated. But some forecful opposition is initiated autonomously, and is often (but not always) justifiable.
 
I've seen a few cops outed at demos in the past - I recall that there were quite a few on the Brighton RTS years ago.

That Mail article is a bit odd though and something doesn't seem to ring quite true about it.
Since when is a gay man - or anyone else for that matter - looking for sex on the internet 'controversial'?

it seems to be an inferrence that it was a well known gay cop to me again the mails innuendo... or agenda?
 
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Don't you think that woman protesting looks like that woman from big brother a few years ago
 
Since when is a gay man - or anyone else for that matter - looking for sex on the internet 'controversial'?
When the Sun runs a story about it? (original headline "Copper Feel!")

(Sincere apologies to any other crap journalist who may have broken the story before Syson if I'm wrong.)
 
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