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tobyjug said:
As only 5% of adults over the age of 30 use any illegal drug I would suggest your social circle is nowhere near wide enough.
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I'm quite happy with my circle as i said, they range from my age right down to early 20's.........


and whats age got to do with anything ?


Not so sure about that figure either, where does it come from ?
 
Who said crack down "only on the middle class"?

The point is that up to now practically all the 'cracking down' has been directed against the working class, and actually the 'underclass'. That is why the war on drugs failed so far.

Now they're saying want to enforce the law for everyone.. this includes middle class people who never see the 'downside' to their drug taking because they're never confronted with it.

The question should be:
1/ why it took so long..
2/ and why the police are not going even further
 
mentalchik said:
I'm quite happy with my circle as i said, they range from my age right down to early 20's.........


and whats age got to do with anything ?


Not so sure about that figure either, where does it come from ?
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None of my friends take cocaine. Some (minority) smoke weed, one or two might take other soft drugs, but that's about it. I know people who do harder drugs but I don't associate with them.

And I'm talking about the same early 20's age group.
 
kasheem said:
Taking drugs in Amsterdam still funds criminals. Amsterdam has not been transformed into a nice place by decriminalsation. And you should take a look at the effects it has outside (nicely hidden away from the tourists). The small towns on the borders of Holland and in Belgium which have become overrun by crime due to Amsterdam... the money-laundering and the turf wars.

And that money doesn't just go into more drugs. Some of it goes into people trafficking, prostitution, terrorism and other things..
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Drugs havn't been legalised in Holland.

If drugs were legalised and regulated they would be produced and distributed by normal companies and businesses and/or the government and health service, or grown and used privately in the case of cannabis or mushrooms etc.
 
mentalchik said:
I'm quite happy with my circle as i said, they range from my age right down to early 20's.........


and whats age got to do with anything ?


Not so sure about that figure either, where does it come from ?
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Illegal drug use starts to drop dramatically when people reach the age of 25.
Here is one set of stats for total use:-http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/drugs_uk/drugs_grid/html/default.stm
 
kasheem said:
Who said crack down "only on the middle class"?

The point is that up to now practically all the 'cracking down' has been directed against the working class, and actually the 'underclass'. That is why the war on drugs failed so far.

Now they're saying want to enforce the law for everyone.. this includes middle class people who never see the 'downside' to their drug taking because they're never confronted with it.

The question should be:
1/ why it took so long..
2/ and why the police are not going even further
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What i was getting at was that cocaine use has become quite wide across all classes, it's relatively cheap now and yes for a lot of people it's the norm on a weekend to share a g !

I think all this will make it hard to do anything about much like ecstasy use.


You say you don't associate with people that take cocaine, how do you know this ? and can i ask why ? (not getting at you just interested)


I would also question if the police have the resources and manpower to crack down much due to it's widespread acceptance and usage !
 
tobyjug said:
Illegal drug use starts to drop dramatically when people reach the age of 25.
Here is one set of stats for total use:-http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/drugs_uk/drugs_grid/html/default.stm
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I'm probably unusual then coz i didnt experiment till i was 38 !
 
mentalchik said:
What i was getting at was that cocaine use has become quite wide across all classes, it's relatively cheap now and yes for a lot of people it's the norm on a weekend to share a g !
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I didn't say the opposite. But there's less police attention made to middle class users than the average.

I think all this will make it hard to do anything about much like ecstasy use.
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What do you mean?

You say you don't associate with people that take cocaine, how do you know this ? and can i ask why ? (not getting at you just interested)
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Well, none of my friends that I'm aware of are cocaine users. The people I know are I don't consider friends, just acquaintances. Not because they take cocaine, and I don't avoid drug users, but it's just how it is.
 
kasheem said:
That it's illegal is not irrelevant...

Because it's illegal, consuming it means:

1/ That you risk going to prison
2/ That you are funding the worst scumbag criminals in the world
3/ You are toppling governments in Latin America
4/ You are causing the turf wars in inner cities
5/ You are destroying the poorest communities
6/ You are taking advantage of other people's misery and fucked up lives
7/ The ruling class loves people taking drugs. Many of them directly profit and are the biggest winners in all this
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Easy enough then, make it legal. Not that i agree with much of this you say.

I think you should read a book called the cocaine wars, written by a group of sunday times (i think) journos. It clearly demonstrates how up to the neck american leaders are in promoting drug use.

If you want to claim it's addictive, then i presume you know this from first-hand experience? I've heard for years that drug x or drug y is addictive. Not for they never were.
 
kasheem said:
I didn't say the opposite. But there's less police attention made to middle class users than the average.



What do you mean?
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I mean that when something becomes 'the norm' for a whole lot of people regardless of class etc it makes it much much harder to stop people from doing it !


prohibition is obviously not working, maybe it's more of a question why anyone wants to take any sort of drug in the first place.........it's always been around in some form or another..........cocaine wasn't always illegal, i don't drink for instance and see plenty of people caused and causing far more pain and anguish with that particular drug, it's just legal is the difference !
 
kasheem said:
How old are you know? You said your friends are down to the age of early 20's.
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I'm soon to be 43 ! I have friends in a wide age range, most of them are in mid 20's to late 30's. In fact my son's friends (he's 21) are people i introduced him to, when he started coming out with me !


:)
 
fela fan said:
If you want to claim it's addictive, then i presume you know this from first-hand experience? I've heard for years that drug x or drug y is addictive. Not for they never were.
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Cocaine acts on parts of the brain which deals with memories and emotions.. this is the part of the brain that was central during our evolution, creating instincts and so on. So cocaine creates a physical dependance, and that's a biological fact.
 
kasheem said:
Cocaine acts on parts of the brain which deals with memories and emotions.. this is the part of the brain that was central during our evolution, creating instincts and so on. So cocaine creates a physical dependance, and that's a biological fact.
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Not ime it doesn't !
 
tobyjug said:
Illegal drug use starts to drop dramatically when people reach the age of 25.
Here is one set of stats for total use:-http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/drugs_uk/drugs_grid/html/default.stm
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Don't use stats on illegal things to prove anything. If anyone asked me about my drug consmuption i'd never tell them. I'd doubt others would either. Unreliable figures at best.

So long as i harm no-one if and when i take drugs, then the state has absolutely fuck all right to tell me i can't or i will be imprisoned. Denying me my freedom to smoke weed or go on a trip, and by locking me up is a massive crime perpetrated by other humans on me.

They have no right to stop me doing what i want, and in fact for 25 adult years i've happily not given them that right. They can go fuck off. My life.

Incidentally coke was never a drug choice of mine. But if others wish to take it, even to kill themselves, then the world will continue to spin on its axis and light will follow dark will follow light. Nothing will change. One less person, one more fucked up person, so what. Just coz they can't handle it why should others, the vast majority, be denied their pleasures?
 
Anyway, the town i lived in for my initial adult years had nothing in it to occupy our free time. Nothing except for drugs and footy on sunday morning. I only did the former, though many mates did both.

If you wanna stop drug abuse, then make it legal, and provide soceity's members with activities to get involved in.
 
fela fan said:
Don't use stats on illegal things to prove anything. If anyone asked me about my drug consmuption i'd never tell them. I'd doubt others would either. Unreliable figures at best.

So long as i harm no-one if and when i take drugs, then the state has absolutely fuck all right to tell me i can't or i will be imprisoned. Denying me my freedom to smoke weed or go on a trip, and by locking me up is a massive crime perpetrated by other humans on me.

They have no right to stop me doing what i want, and in fact for 25 adult years i've happily not given them that right. They can go fuck off. My life.

Incidentally coke was never a drug choice of mine. But if others wish to take it, even to kill themselves, then the world will continue to spin on its axis and light will follow dark will follow light. Nothing will change. One less person, one more fucked up person, so what. Just coz they can't handle it why should others, the vast majority, be denied their pleasures?
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That's what I said... the people pro-drugs are always looking at it from a purely individual perspective. That's how I looked at it before. When you look at it from a community and social perspective the whole thing changes.

Plus, I don't agree with what you say about freedom. To me, the idea you've got the right to do whatever you want to your body makes a mockery of freedom. The lab rat with electrodes stuck into it's brain pleasure centres pressing on the button until it dies of starvation and sleep deprivation is not 'free'.

If you wanna stop drug abuse, then make it legal, and provide soceity's members with activities to get involved in.
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What about cracking down on the most self-responsible users, and the big suppliers, and provide other activities and life goals to people? Why do we need to legal/decriminalise?
 
tobyjug said:
As only 5% of adults over the age of 30 use any illegal drug I would suggest your social circle is nowhere near wide enough.
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Can you back up that Tobyjug fact?
 
kasheem said:
What about cracking down on the most self-responsible users, and the big suppliers, and provide other activities and life goals to people? Why do we need to legal/decriminalise?
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Can i ask are you against drug use per se or just because of the crime problems, production etc ?


Do you drink alcohol ?
 
kasheem said:
Cocaine acts on parts of the brain which deals with memories and emotions.. this is the part of the brain that was central during our evolution, creating instincts and so on. So cocaine creates a physical dependance, and that's a biological fact.
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I'd like to see that backed up please. Ta :)
 
Tobyjug said:
As only 5% of adults over the age of 30 use any illegal drug I would suggest your social circle is nowhere near wide enough.
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Toby that figure of 5% is a bit misleading isn't it?

The actual figures reveal that the number of drugs users aged 30-34 is in the 15% region, not 5%.

Cause that 5% is not 30 year olds, that is 35 to 59 year olds. There is a huge difference between attitudes and society of those who are around 30ish, like myself, and those that are 40+ 50+

The drug use could be as high as 25-34, but once you add in the 40+ 50+ range it will change that percentage considerably. Making the number almost meaningless in terms of drug use.

I am quite surprised that they did a survey and broke up 16-24 and 25-34 but then decided to lump 35-60 together.
 
kasheem said:
Cocaine acts on parts of the brain which deals with memories and emotions.. this is the part of the brain that was central during our evolution, creating instincts and so on. So cocaine creates a physical dependance, and that's a biological fact.
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I know large numbers of people who take or have taken cocaine, I only know one person who became addicted.
 
Fong said:
There is a huge difference between attitudes and society of those who are around 30ish, like myself, and those that are 40+ 50+
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OI !!!!!!!


I dispute that young man !


:)
 
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