Johnny Canuck3
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ViolentPanda said:
It's relevant if we're discussing whether or not the Poles would be jumping to erect monuments to the Soviet Army.
Poles to knock down Reds, put up Gipper.
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It's relevant if we're discussing whether or not the Poles would be jumping to erect monuments to the Soviet Army.
copliker said:
You are obviously still in your teens. I understand why you don't have the confidence to answer my questions, youth I see. Thats fine.
Maybe you should read about Poland under Soviet domination, or all of Eastern Europe under Soviet domination. Look at East Germany in 1953, Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968. Look at the martial law declared in Poland during the Solidarity movement.
Than maybe you can answer my all too simple question.
ViolentPanda said:As usual I say "mears, you're full of shit".
You may well live in a world where all answers are derived from "simple questions", but in my experience the world is too complex to be reduced to the cretious binary oppositions you appear enslaved to.
Oh, and nice use of the word "courage". Do you often use words you don't understand?[/QUOT
Yes, being how successful communism was in Eastern Europe it really is a complex question
ViolentPanda said:
Norman Davies is the foremost English language historian on Poland.
Try "Heart of Europe: The past in Polands present."
When you start chapter 1 you will be better suited to answer my question. Know one hated your beloved communism more than catholic Poland.
If you don't believe me just visit the country
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
mears said:I have been to Poland - Warsaw, old city in Krakow, Pozan etc. I know the country well. You think teachers were thriving in communist poland
You think Poland was better with communist rule? You could just reply "yes" or "No"
Seriously, it is a yes or no question. Have a little pride, show some back bone. Besides I would answer any question from you.
I'll answer that - Poland wasn't better off under communist rule. What are you trying to show?
Janh
signs might be omens
Let me see... on 17th September 1939 the red army comes into your Polish village and loads up all your family and sends them off by cattle truck to a labour camp in Siberia, they separate any soldiers, police, magistrates and intelligentsia and eventually murder them.
And you ask WHY the Poles want to dismantle a red army statue?
And you ask WHY the Poles want to dismantle a red army statue?
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
mears said:Your jaw dropping ignorance
Jaw dropping ignorance of what? Please expand?
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Janh said:
I never asked that. I don't think Poles are particularly asking for Raygun though.
rekil
to menny cranks
I think your IQ is in the teens. You're clearly incapable of understanding what anyone has posted here.mears said:
Why not tell us why voter turnout is so low and emigration levels are so astronomically high in Poland. You're probably thick enough to conclude that anyone who doesn't vote or chooses to get the fuck out of the country asap must be a communist.
Johnny Canuck3
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copliker said:
They probably would have been high pre-1989 too, if the Soviets would have let them leave.
rekil
to menny cranks
Aye, and if europe or the US allowed them in. What does that suggest.Johnny Canuck2 said:
Read the non-story. There ain't no statue, nor is it likely that there'll be one.pk said:I'm going to Katowice in a few weeks - I'll take some pictures.
deserves to get one.
"I expect to get some 300, maybe 400 percent of votes in the election",
"And I am honest, because I am really honest. I haven't drunk alcohol since I was a little baby",
"And drivers will be severely punished for alcohol, for cigarettes, for everything."
Johnny Canuck3
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What are you talking about? You do remember the Berlin Wall, the Iron Curtain, etc?copliker said:
ViolentPanda said:
On the other hand, quite a considerable number starved to death under stalin, and in the maoist years in China.
Johnny Canuck3
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copliker said:
...with you as the head caller.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
mears said:
You really are quite "off the wall" and not it a good way either. Wtf does an "English language historian" have to do with Poland?
You really are a fucking idiot.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Don't play dumb (difficult for you, I know); they hang out with you here on Urban.
Aye, the name Rentonite implies that he comes from Renton, a town near the border with Canada. (British Columbia to be precise).
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Unlike you with your cheap jibes - eh, Canuck? I think I have rather more to say than you on most matters regarding world affairs and politics. You just cover for your lack of intelligence by hiding behind large chunks of cut and paste (often taken from questionable sources).
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Ah, it is clear that you didn't understand or want to understand my post but have, instead, made it all up in your head. Quelle surprise. Let me draw you a picture, numbskull: you continue to use narratives, many of them already uttered by the US rabid right to justify their own 'goodness'. What you say on matters pertaining to Poland have been taken from narratives already constructed to justify the neo-liberal rush to 'opne up' Poland's markets. I don't expect someone with the intellect of a saltine cracker to get their head around that.
Dissident Junk
picking oakum
nino_savatte said:
*ahem*
I suspect it might mean 'foremost historian on Poland (that writes in the English language)' . . .
. . . as opposed to a Polish historian that specialises on Poland and that writes in Polish.
Mibbe?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Dissident Junk said:
Mears's book recommendations tend to come from a rather narrow section of knowledge, so it would not surprise me if the book he recommends contains the usual waffle about the USSR and glosses over the events of the 20's and 30's.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
It isn't that simple, even the OP's link shows that. There will always be some for whom the Soviet dominion will be a time to look backward on with nostalgia, as tthere will always be those who revere anything even remotely connected to the end of that dominion, like president Reagan.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the owner of Breitbart.com, Mr Andrew Breitbart, sometime contributor to Drudge and 'conservative commentator'.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
mears said:
1) I've read it. I'm also acutely aware of just how poorly received the book was by everyone except the US right.
2) It shows your amazing ignorance that you assume that I have any respect, let alone love, for communism. The Soviets killed about 2/3rds of my maternal extended family in the Ukraine between 1930 and 1945 through a combination of starvation and , with the Nazis murdering most of the rest.
Still, given that you can't or won't think beyond your petty binary opposition of "US good, USSR bad", I shouldn't be surprised that you make such a cretinous assumption.
3) Been there pre and post-Soviet, the Ukraine, east Germany and Bulgaria too.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Janh said:
Has anybody actually asked that?
You should, in all fairness, mention that the Nazis did similar.
copliker said:
No voting in the past system young child, one party dictatorship all the way. Poles are leaving to pick up higher paying jobs in Europe.
Under the old system they could not leave the socialist paradise of the iron curtain.
But it was better in the old days, right
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
mears said:No voting in the past system young child, one party dictatorship all the way. Poles are leaving to pick up higher paying jobs in Europe.
Under the old system they could not leave the socialist paradise of the iron curtain.
But it was better in the old days, right
You never leave the hyper-capitalist paradise that's the US, so what's the big difference?
ViolentPanda said:
You give one link where the book was poorly received big boy. Norman Davies is very popular in Poland, and thats what we are talking about.
Oh, don't like communism, you don't like capitalism either of course
Thing is, you never come out and share what economic political systems fit your world view. You hide under nonsense phrases like "petty binary opposition"
Easy to stand for nothing.
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