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oh i dont like to brag about it relahni :o




(and i dont really understand what you just said either :hmm: )

when there was just two people left, you only had 930 chips left and your opponent had over 12,000 chips.

So in footballing terms - you were 4-0 down with about 10 minutes to go and you managed to win.
 
We should have a thread about donking into the pre-flop raiser oop. It's not something I ever do heads up. I think it has it's applications though.

I generally raise donk bets with any piece of the board and get folds > 50% of the time. I've found good players sometimes do this with sets in order to get the money in and bad players do it with poor-mediocre hands that can't stand much pressure.

What do you mean by a 'donk' bet? You mean calling a raise in the BB with mediocre or poor holdings?
 
B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €0,50 / €1,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind

Button - Hero (€218,00)
SB (€82,95)
BB (€50,00)
UTG (€100,00)
MP (€252,53)
CO (€278,64)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T:diamond:, T:spade:
2 folds, CO calls €1,00, Hero raises to €5,00, SB raises to €15,00, 1 fold, CO calls €14,50, Hero calls €10,50

Flop: (€47,50) T:heart:, 2:heart:, 2:diamond: (3 players)
SB bets €33,00, CO calls €33,00, Hero calls €33,00

Turn: (€146,50) 5:spade: (3 players)
SB goes all-in for €34,45, CO calls €34,45, Hero calls €34,45

River: (€249,85) J:diamond: (3 players - 1 All-In)
CO bets €38,00, Hero goes all-in for €135,05, CO calls €97,05

Final pot: €519,95

Hero shows T:diamond:, T:spade: (a full house, tens full of deuces)
CO shows J:club:, J:spade: (a full house, jacks full of deuces)
SB shows Q:heart:, Q:club: (two pairs, queens and deuces)

Outcome:
CO wins € from a side pot
CO wins € from the main pot

:(

fUCKING FISH :mad:
 
Today was going so well too.

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I definately want you lot round my table. You are total rocks :D

If he really is that tight then it's an easy call to see a flop. You can bet for information on any flop, and either get the info, or get him to fold. If the flop comes with an A, K or Q and you bet out - he will fold any beaten pocket pair. If the flop comes low and raggy, you bet out and he folds any AK/AQ. If he comes over the top at you on a A high flop then he has a set of Aces and your done. If he calls the A high, you are either tying with AK or he has AQ. If the flop is low and raggy and he plays back, then he has high pockets and you are done with the hand.

Postion matters much more against tricky aggressive players. Predictable, tight players are much less of a threat when they are downwind of you.

Not even in that situation am I folding AK in a cash game. You are going to get AA or KK less than once in every 200 odd hands. You are going to wait and pay another 20 sets of blinds (on average) to get a better hand :confused:

Believe me. Cash game, AK, get your chips in the middle.

Bet, raise, re-raise, you call.

Other players turn over KK, AQ, JJ - you are still in reasonable shape (considering)

I think you missed the read fM gave - he's not saying he'd fold this most of the time, but his read was a nit raising UTG.

In a tournament, short-stacked, you're going all-in. But this is cash, and they both have 100BB at stake. fM is out of position which gives the other player a huge advantage in a heads-up raised pot. fM can't decide whether they're playing for stacks, but the other guy can. As he said, given the other guys range, he's either going to win a small pot or lose a big one.

Not a fold I'd make very often, for sure. But it's not just about the cards you're holding.
 
I think you missed the read fM gave - he's not saying he'd fold this most of the time, but his read was a nit raising UTG.

In a tournament, short-stacked, you're going all-in. But this is cash, and they both have 100BB at stake. fM is out of position which gives the other player a huge advantage in a heads-up raised pot. fM can't decide whether they're playing for stacks, but the other guy can. As he said, given the other guys range, he's either going to win a small pot or lose a big one.

Not a fold I'd make very often, for sure. But it's not just about the cards you're holding.

Interesting you bring that back up. I posted about that hand on another forum and I think I assigned the guy the wrong hand range. Against the range I put him on I still say it's a fold, but there were guys there with the same stats as the villain saying their UTG range is 22+ AJs+ AQo+ in which case it's a definate 3bet.
 
B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €0,50 / €1,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind

Button - Hero (€218,00)
SB (€82,95)
BB (€50,00)
UTG (€100,00)
MP (€252,53)
CO (€278,64)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T:diamond:, T:spade:
2 folds, CO calls €1,00, Hero raises to €5,00, SB raises to €15,00, 1 fold, CO calls €14,50, Hero calls €10,50

Flop: (€47,50) T:heart:, 2:heart:, 2:diamond: (3 players)
SB bets €33,00, CO calls €33,00, Hero calls €33,00

Turn: (€146,50) 5:spade: (3 players)
SB goes all-in for €34,45, CO calls €34,45, Hero calls €34,45

River: (€249,85) J:diamond: (3 players - 1 All-In)
CO bets €38,00, Hero goes all-in for €135,05, CO calls €97,05

Final pot: €519,95

Hero shows T:diamond:, T:spade: (a full house, tens full of deuces)
CO shows J:club:, J:spade: (a full house, jacks full of deuces)
SB shows Q:heart:, Q:club: (two pairs, queens and deuces)

Outcome:
CO wins € from a side pot
CO wins € from the main pot

:(

fUCKING FISH :mad:

unlucky

serves you right for slow playing!!:D
 
Interesting you bring that back up. I posted about that hand on another forum and I think I assigned the guy the wrong hand range. Against the range I put him on I still say it's a fold, but there were guys there with the same stats as the villain saying their UTG range is 22+ AJs+ AQo+ in which case it's a definate 3bet.
I raise that range 6-handed UTG, but I'm pretty laggy pre-flop. If your read was nit (how many hands did you have on him and what were his stats?), no way is he that loose - even an averagely tight player is only raising 10+, AJs+, AQ+ there.
 
I raise that range 6-handed UTG, but I'm pretty laggy pre-flop. If your read was nit (how many hands did you have on him and what were his stats?), no way is he that loose - even an averagely tight player is only raising 10+, AJs+, AQ+ there.

That's what I thought, but there was a 14/11 guy who said his utg range is 22+, AJs +, AQos+. Although another reg put him on the same range as you.

Probably somewhere between the two I guess.

http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25262&sid=3ee50c93c98f0edfb85d7b76abb72873
 
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how can he have JJ there ffs! Any 2, any 10, and any flush draw cos he's retarded, possibly 22. But jj? GAH! He was playing over 60% of his hands!

yeah but shit players overplay jj all the time.
He basically saw an over pair and thought he was holding the nuts.

don't moan about his play. You wanted him to play the hand exactly as he did. it just so happened he cought a 2 outer, but these things happen in poker. the other 20 odd times your in this position you take all the money and are happy he was a shit player!
 
stupid hand:

B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €0,50 / €1,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind

CO (€239,49)
Button - Hero (€110,70)
SB (€227,47)
BB (€97,55)
UTG (€138,56)
MP (€108,65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T:diamond:, Q:club:
UTG calls €1,00, 2 folds, Hero raises to €4,00, 2 folds, UTG calls €3,00

Flop: (€9,50) A:diamond:, J:heart:, 8:heart: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets €6,50, UTG calls €6,50

Turn: (€22,50) 2:spade: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets €14,00, UTG calls €14,00

River: (€50,50) 5:spade: (2 players)
UTG bets €4,00, Hero calls €4,00

Final pot: €58,50

UTG shows 7:heart:, 6:heart: (high card ace)
Hero shows T:diamond:, Q:club: (high card ace and queen)

Outcome: Hero wins €58,50
 
I had a funny hand the other day.

Dealt pocket Kings.

One limper (UTG) and Cut Off raises 3 times the blind. I 3 bet and get called by the cutt off - UTGr folds.

Flop comes 2 6 Q rainbow.

Cutt off checks.

What do you do next? Check or raise? :confused:
 
I had a funny hand the other day.

Dealt pocket Kings.

One limper (UTG) and Cut Off raises 3 times the blind. I 3 bet and get called by the cutt off - UTGr folds.

Flop comes 2 6 Q rainbow.

Cutt off checks.

What do you do next? Check or raise? :confused:

I'd bet!

if he's holding an ace and I gave him a free card and he hit it. i'd be up shit creek

plus as I raised i'd want to continue to be the aggressor, so i'd probably be raising whether i had a hand or not
 
I'd bet!

if he's holding an ace and I gave him a free card and he hit it. i'd be up shit creek

plus as I raised i'd want to continue to be the aggressor, so i'd probably be raising whether i had a hand or not

How much would you bet? small bet? 1/2 pot? 3/4 pot? pot? over the pot?
 
I had a funny hand the other day.

Dealt pocket Kings.

One limper (UTG) and Cut Off raises 3 times the blind. I 3 bet and get called by the cutt off - UTGr folds.

Flop comes 2 6 Q rainbow.

Cutt off checks.

What do you do next? Check or raise? :confused:

depends on stack sizes. The only hand you're afraid of is QQ, maybe 66. Bet just over half the pot and hope he calls. Keep betting till all the money is in imo.

If you bet and he check raises then you've got a descision, but that depends on stack sizes really. He'll shove QQ, AA, KK and AQ there and sometimes it'll be a random bluff.

I'd bet and call a shove and cry when he shows me 66.
 
depends on stack sizes. The only hand you're afraid of is QQ, maybe 66. Bet just over half the pot and hope he calls. Keep betting till all the money is in imo.

If you bet and he check raises then you've got a descision, but that depends on stack sizes really. He'll shove QQ, AA, KK and AQ there and sometimes it'll be a random bluff.

I'd bet and call a shove and cry when he shows me 66.

Good. I thought it was just poor play by me.

I bet, he shoved, I called. He showed the nuts on the flop. (no king on turn or river)

QQQ

I guess I could have checked - but I thought I was ahead. (and if I check every time I get an over pair on the flop!? that's not good play is it?) Thought he was AK or AQ.

Fortunately I got my chips back and a bit on top from some lags.
 
Good. I thought it was just poor play by me.

I bet, he shoved, I called. He showed the nuts on the flop. (no king on turn or river)

QQQ

I guess I could have checked - but I thought I was ahead. (and if I check every time I get an over pair on the flop!? that's not good play is it?) Thought he was AK or AQ.

Fortunately I got my chips back and a bit on top from some lags.

The best advice I was ever given at low limit holdem is to bet bet bet when you've got it and fold when they raise. Apart from the odd maniac most players are fairly straight forward at those limits.

I seem to have forgotten the fold bit recently.
 
The best advice I was ever given at low limit holdem is to bet bet bet when you've got it and fold when they raise. Apart from the odd maniac most players are fairly straight forward at those limits.

I seem to have forgotten the fold bit recently.

I guess it depends on what you know about the raiser. I had a spot where someone raised me on a dry flop, I had AK - it was their first game and they went all in (short stacked 20 times the bb I think?).

Difficult spot. I had nothing - Ace high on the flop.

What would you have done then?
 
Good. I thought it was just poor play by me.

I bet, he shoved, I called. He showed the nuts on the flop. (no king on turn or river)

QQQ

I guess I could have checked - but I thought I was ahead. (and if I check every time I get an over pair on the flop!? that's not good play is it?) Thought he was AK or AQ.

Fortunately I got my chips back and a bit on top from some lags.

You didn't do anything wrong

only a pro would lay down the KK after the re raise, and even then if he had big odds he'd call anyway

checking would be the weak play, betting is the strong play
 
I guess it depends on what you know about the raiser. I had a spot where someone raised me on a dry flop, I had AK - it was their first game and they went all in (short stacked 20 times the bb I think?).

Difficult spot. I had nothing - Ace high on the flop.

What would you have done then?

How big was the pot and how much was it to call?

You need to work out how often you have to be good there to justify the call. If you think he's bluffing 50% of the time and it's only costing you 25% of the pot to call then it's a clear call.

Assigning people hand ranges is the key. I've seen short stacks make this move time and time again on dry flops. about 1/3 air 1/3 crappy pair like 33 and 1/3 nuts.

It also depends on how you got to that spot. If you raised pre and cbet he's going to put you on overcards (like AK) a lot and use his tiny stack to make you fold. Don';t forget you've got 6 outs that are probably clean even if he does have a hand. You'll hit and A or K almost 1/4 of the time by the river.

Playing against short stacks is a pain in the arse.
 
What do you do next? Check or raise? :confused:
Always bet here. You should c-bet with nothing as the pre-flop aggressor, so you should also bet when you have something. Also, it's only top pair, so you can't afford to give a free card.

Slow-playing is not a profitable main strategy - you're much better off building pots with your big hands, and incidentally building your fold equity for hands where you have nothing and can steal if the situation presents itself. The money they put in when a long way behind is worth the most to you, and winning a pot without a showdown is always good. So bet!

On the flop, IMO, you should rarely bet less than 3/4 of the pot. Some people suggest half pot for a c-bet but unless you're willing to bet that low when you have a real hand to protect, I'd suggest betting exactly the same on a c-bet as you would with a real hand on the same board (ie full pot if it's draw heavy, 3/4 pot if it's raggy and safe-looking).

You can slow play when it is likely to be profitable - and to keep them on their toes a bit (you don't want to check-fold or be on a draw every time you check from OOP). Choose those times when you have an aggressive opponent who is likely to bluff off his stack, or when you're up against a short-stack who only has enough to bet one or two rounds anyway.

But in general, when you're likely to win a pot start building it - and use the fact that you often bet from strength to steal the pots that noone's interested in.

And don't be results oriented. You can only play the probabilities - the hand range, not the actual hand they're holding (although sometimes, your read will be good enough to know exactly what they have). Play every hand in a way which will be profitable in the long run, and you will profit in the long run.

That's what I thought, but there was a 14/11 guy who said his utg range is 22+, AJs +, AQos+. Although another reg put him on the same range as you.

Probably somewhere between the two I guess.

http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25262&sid=3ee50c93c98f0edfb85d7b76abb72873
He can't be loosening up that much in later position if he's 14/11 and opening that range UTG. Seriously, that's about my UTG range (give or take an occasional AJo, KQs), and I'm 35/25 6-handed.
 
ymu posts some good advice there. I generally bet about 2/3 of the pot as a cbet. It's a flexible bet size. It denys all but the best draws the proper odds, is cheap enough that you can get away from it if you did it with air or a mediocre hand and builds the pot nicely if you do have a hand you want to get paid off with.

I'd add that you can generally bet less on the flop in 3bet pots because the pot is already bloated pre flop and even a half pot bet allows you to get all in by the river if you want.

Again though it's player dependant. Some will fold to smaller bets, some will call any bet any size with any hand.
 
He can't be loosening up that much in later position if he's 14/11 and opening that range UTG. Seriously, that's about my UTG range (give or take an occasional AJo, KQs), and I'm 35/25 6-handed.

That's what I thought.

That's some pretty laggy stats ymu :D What limit do you play?
 
That's what I thought.

That's some pretty laggy stats ymu :D What limit do you play?
I haven't played cash for an age, but that was $100NL (50c, $1). I was a lot tighter at $50, but LAGgy is quite profitable at $100 on the nitty site I used to play at.
 
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