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fractionMan
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ez game
B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €0,50 / €1,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind
UTG (€106,07)
MP (€184,95)
CO (€101,50)
Button (€124,58)
SB - Hero (€101,65)
BB (€64,29)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A:heart:, K:heart:
4 folds, Hero raises to €3,00, BB raises to €7,25, Hero raises to €27,00, BB goes all-in for €56,04, Hero calls €33,79
Flop: (€128,58) 5:diamond:, 7:diamond:, J:diamond: (2 players - 1 All-In)
Turn: (€128,58) J:heart: (2 players - 1 All-In)
River: (€128,58) 4:diamond: (2 players - 1 All-In)
Final pot: €128,58
Hero shows A:heart:, K:heart: (a pair of jacks)
BB shows K:club:, Q:heart: (a pair of jacks, with king as kicker)
Outcome: Hero wins €128,58
B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €0,50 / €1,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind
UTG (€106,07)
MP (€184,95)
CO (€101,50)
Button (€124,58)
SB - Hero (€101,65)
BB (€64,29)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A:heart:, K:heart:
4 folds, Hero raises to €3,00, BB raises to €7,25, Hero raises to €27,00, BB goes all-in for €56,04, Hero calls €33,79
Flop: (€128,58) 5:diamond:, 7:diamond:, J:diamond: (2 players - 1 All-In)
Turn: (€128,58) J:heart: (2 players - 1 All-In)
River: (€128,58) 4:diamond: (2 players - 1 All-In)
Final pot: €128,58
Hero shows A:heart:, K:heart: (a pair of jacks)
BB shows K:club:, Q:heart: (a pair of jacks, with king as kicker)
Outcome: Hero wins €128,58
internetstalker
Get naked!
You both played the had badly*. BB played it REALLY REALLY badly, but hero just could of played it better*!
When Hero raises to €3 all is good.
BB re raises with KQo, which is pretty loose aggressive.
BB should really have just called here or folded if the player was tight.
Hero reraises again, I'm hoping the asterisk applies here
both guys all in, best hand wins at a guess it was about 70-30% or 75-25% for AKs to win (that off the top of me head and could be wrong)
*If of course Hero is thinking that BB is a super agg player just trying to bully Hero off the pot then Hero actually played the hand perfectly
Idaho
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Just a bog standard aggressive cash game bollocks on the table battle of the blinds.
SB didn't play it badly at all - merely avoided being unlucky as the BB was very loose and his 4-1 advantage held up.
Lol! At no point should the SB fold here. You are being priced into the pot all the way. If you can lay down AK heads up in the blinds at a 6 handed low limit cash table when you have pot odds of over 2-1 you are pure granite
SB didn't play it badly at all - merely avoided being unlucky as the BB was very loose and his 4-1 advantage held up.
Lol! At no point should the SB fold here. You are being priced into the pot all the way. If you can lay down AK heads up in the blinds at a 6 handed low limit cash table when you have pot odds of over 2-1 you are pure granite
I just beat a pro poker player.
A fish that has been playing for about 3 months knocks out a pro. lol
The table was shit scared of him. Funny as fuck. I limped in with pocket 3s. He went all in. I thought he had AK - so called him after some thought. He showed AQ off.
I won. lol.
Again, I limped in with KK. He went all in (with a rag ace) - of course I took the bet and won again, sending him out of the tournament.
Luck ran out against the winner. I limped with AK - he went all in over the top with 79 off. I called. Flop produced 2 more 9s.
Oh well. Nice to knock out a pro.
A fish that has been playing for about 3 months knocks out a pro. lol
The table was shit scared of him. Funny as fuck. I limped in with pocket 3s. He went all in. I thought he had AK - so called him after some thought. He showed AQ off.
I won. lol.
Again, I limped in with KK. He went all in (with a rag ace) - of course I took the bet and won again, sending him out of the tournament.
Luck ran out against the winner. I limped with AK - he went all in over the top with 79 off. I called. Flop produced 2 more 9s.
Oh well. Nice to knock out a pro.
Idaho
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That's holdem for you - it's a fish's paradise - doubly so on the internet
I see a pattern of limp, call, check, raise
Use it sparingly. And don't be suprised when you lose all your chips overestimating the strength of what you believe is a disguised hand.
Which books have you read Relahni? I'd reccomend the Harrington on Holdem series. Sklansky Tournament Poker for Advanced players is well worth it too.
I see a pattern of limp, call, check, raise
Use it sparingly. And don't be suprised when you lose all your chips overestimating the strength of what you believe is a disguised hand.
Which books have you read Relahni? I'd reccomend the Harrington on Holdem series. Sklansky Tournament Poker for Advanced players is well worth it too.
internetstalker
Get naked!
Just a bog standard aggressive cash game bollocks on the table battle of the blinds.
SB didn't play it badly at all - merely avoided being unlucky as the BB was very loose and his 4-1 advantage held up.
Lol! At no point should the SB fold here. You are being priced into the pot all the way. If you can lay down AK heads up in the blinds at a 6 handed low limit cash table when you have pot odds of over 2-1 you are pure granite
Not if you think the BB has KK or AA
then a fold could well be right
either way Hero should really of called the reraise rather then rereraise to 27 bucks (unless like I said he thinks the BB is aggresive and reraiseing with a shit hand)
AK is only a good hand once you hit, so a call and look at the flop, that gives you a second chance to get away from the hand if the BB is raising with a pocket pair which would be pretty likely
like I said
kained&able
Here for the football.
internetstalker
Get naked!
exactly, but a tight player isn't gonna be playing many hands, and he's gonna re re raise with only 2 or 3.
It all depends on what you think the player is like, like I said
internetstalker
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But to be fair if an idiot is gonna re re raise with a KQo, he's not a tight player so like I said
even to the point of raising just enough to get BB to push all in.
Either way in a cash game I would still of just called for reasons I gave above
his AK would of lost to any diamond or any pocket pair. 50 bucks is alot of money to stuff all in pre flop on what would probably be a 50/50 shot.
as it happens BB was a total donkey and basically gave his money away.
I wanna play against that guy!
even to the point of raising just enough to get BB to push all in.
Either way in a cash game I would still of just called for reasons I gave above
his AK would of lost to any diamond or any pocket pair. 50 bucks is alot of money to stuff all in pre flop on what would probably be a 50/50 shot.
as it happens BB was a total donkey and basically gave his money away.
I wanna play against that guy!
That's holdem for you - it's a fish's paradise - doubly so on the internet
I see a pattern of limp, call, check, raise
Use it sparingly. And don't be suprised when you lose all your chips overestimating the strength of what you believe is a disguised hand.
Which books have you read Relahni? I'd reccomend the Harrington on Holdem series. Sklansky Tournament Poker for Advanced players is well worth it too.
I deffo want to improve my game, so cheers for the recommended reading.
You lot sound pretty good, so a game sometime would be cool.
Although I'll have to think of more tactics than the limp in bluff.
internetstalker
Get naked!
That's holdem for you - it's a fish's paradise - doubly so on the internet
I see a pattern of limp, call, check, raise
Use it sparingly. And don't be suprised when you lose all your chips overestimating the strength of what you believe is a disguised hand.
Which books have you read Relahni? I'd reccomend the Harrington on Holdem series. Sklansky Tournament Poker for Advanced players is well worth it too.
Agreed the Harrington on Hold 'em are the absolute nuts
totally changed the way I think about the game (for the better)
Also Caro's book of tells is a must read.
Sklansky's stuff is good, but VERY mathmatic and can get a bit much.
Idaho
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Even if you *think* the BB has AA or KK then it's still a bad fold. Think of the range of hands the BB could be playing. It's low limit internet cash holdem, short handed. Let us assume the BB is even moderately loose. He will likely make this play with any pair over 9s. And any Ace bigger than A 10. Of that range of hands you are behind slightly less hands than you are infront of. In fact only AA sees you as a total dog. Against KK you still have a 30% chance if you get to see all 5 cards. Seeing as you are getting better than 2-1 odds throughout the hand and are MUCH better than evens on the spread of hands likely, it's a total no-brain call.
In a tournament you may *possibly* elect to fold in a similar situation. Say if you were on the bubble and the BB had you covered. But in cash? Never.
internetstalker
Get naked!
This is the bloke that I beat.
good work fella!
internetstalker
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yeah, your right
it is a tourney play, I've got my tourney head on a bit coz thats what i've been playing as of late.
in a cash game it is a no brainer, but still a call not a bigger re raise to over half your stack
cheers.
heinous seamus
Perfect in an empty room
This is the bloke that I beat.
Lol I saw an episode of poker after dark with him on it once.
heinous seamus
Perfect in an empty room
Did you beat Stephan Kalhamer? That's Chad Brown in the picture!
Is it?
Oh. lol
Is this Stephan Kalhamer?
He's telling a story of the time he met the might of relahni on the poker tables... lol
fractionMan
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Just a bog standard aggressive cash game bollocks on the table battle of the blinds.
SB didn't play it badly at all - merely avoided being unlucky as the BB was very loose and his 4-1 advantage held up.
Lol! At no point should the SB fold here. You are being priced into the pot all the way. If you can lay down AK heads up in the blinds at a 6 handed low limit cash table when you have pot odds of over 2-1 you are pure granite
this ^^
BB was a fish fwiw. The fact that he's sitting on 68bb is enough of an indicator.
fractionMan
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Why would I call there? Call and what, fold to the inevitable c-bet on a non-ak flop? I was waaay ahead of his range and in fact had him dominated or a coinflip about 90% of the time there.
This is about the worst advice for playing AK I've seen. AK is a great hand pre-flop as it has massive fold equity and is rarely worse than a coinflip. Whereas post flop it's crap unless there's an A or a K on the flop (most of the time there isn't) in which case lower pocket pairs will fold to any aggression making it hard to get value out of anything other than worse aces or KQ.
When he re-shoves I can narrow his range to any pocket pair and A10+ if he's loose I think. Possibly 1010+ AQ+ if he's not terrible. Given the pot odds I'm getting it's a no brainer call. I'm probably a coinflip against that range at worst.
To be fair though, I didn't post any of the info I had on villian. I'll check it out when I get home, but I'm fairly certain he was quite loose. Although gainst a nit I'd still probably do the same in a blind vs blind, unles he was like 5/1 or something mental.
I'll post a couple of hands later where I think folding AK pre flop in the sb was correct.
fractionMan
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The harrington book really helped my tourney play, but I don't really play tourneys any more.
If anyone is serious about improving their cash game play then they should get themselves a deucescracked subscription and go from there.
fractionMan
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I've just looked in my database and KQo is my biggest loser, but KQs is in the top 10.
So in fairness it's a pain in the arse to play. In the other guys shoes I would have raised to 10 and folded to a 4 bet.
So in fairness it's a pain in the arse to play. In the other guys shoes I would have raised to 10 and folded to a 4 bet.
fractionMan
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Here's an AK fold pre that I think is fine:
B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €1,00 / €2,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind
CO (€236,25)
Button (€98,49)
SB - Hero (€200,00)
BB (€98,65)
UTG (€366,25)
MP (€172,78)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K:diamond:, A:spade:
UTG raises to €7,00, 5 folds
Final pot: €5,00
UTG didn't show hand
Outcome: UTG wins €5,00
UTG is a nit. He probably doesn't raise anything other than jj+ AQ+ there and maybe not even that wide. It's more like QQ+ and AK. I've got ok equity against that range but I'm out of position.
If I call I'll be folding most flops. If I call and hit then I could be up against AA or KK and be a complete dog. I'll either lose a big pot or win a small one. If I 3bet and he calls (I don't expect him to fold here ever) I'm in much the same boat although I have the inititive and can probably fold out his AK on the flop.
If I 3bet and he 4bets me I have a seriously tough descision. It could be AK or QQ, but is equally likely to be AA or KK in this instance. Shoving in neutral EV at best.
So I folded and saved myself a bunch of tough descisions. There are plenty of better places to get my money in.
B2B No Limit Hold'em Cashgame
Blinds: €1,00 / €2,00
Players: 6
B2B Hand Converter from One Of A Kind
CO (€236,25)
Button (€98,49)
SB - Hero (€200,00)
BB (€98,65)
UTG (€366,25)
MP (€172,78)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K:diamond:, A:spade:
UTG raises to €7,00, 5 folds
Final pot: €5,00
UTG didn't show hand
Outcome: UTG wins €5,00
UTG is a nit. He probably doesn't raise anything other than jj+ AQ+ there and maybe not even that wide. It's more like QQ+ and AK. I've got ok equity against that range but I'm out of position.
If I call I'll be folding most flops. If I call and hit then I could be up against AA or KK and be a complete dog. I'll either lose a big pot or win a small one. If I 3bet and he calls (I don't expect him to fold here ever) I'm in much the same boat although I have the inititive and can probably fold out his AK on the flop.
If I 3bet and he 4bets me I have a seriously tough descision. It could be AK or QQ, but is equally likely to be AA or KK in this instance. Shoving in neutral EV at best.
So I folded and saved myself a bunch of tough descisions. There are plenty of better places to get my money in.
Idaho
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I definately want you lot round my table. You are total rocks
If he really is that tight then it's an easy call to see a flop. You can bet for information on any flop, and either get the info, or get him to fold. If the flop comes with an A, K or Q and you bet out - he will fold any beaten pocket pair. If the flop comes low and raggy, you bet out and he folds any AK/AQ. If he comes over the top at you on a A high flop then he has a set of Aces and your done. If he calls the A high, you are either tying with AK or he has AQ. If the flop is low and raggy and he plays back, then he has high pockets and you are done with the hand.
Postion matters much more against tricky aggressive players. Predictable, tight players are much less of a threat when they are downwind of you.
Idaho
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Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
Playing poker is a very easy way to lose money. When pissed stick to monopoly, you can win or lose money you cannot afford, but it's not real money..
