Plaid Cymru's Image Change

Discussion in 'Wales/Cymru' started by chilango, Feb 24, 2006.

  1. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    I just read on the BBC that Plaid Cymru are changing their name to just "plaid" dropping the triban as their logo for a poppy and changing their colour to yellow.

  2. King Biscuit Time

    King Biscuit Time Well-Known Member

    I saw that too - Couldn't see the point - seems a bit half arsed.

    Isn't 'Plaid' a bit of a Ronseal-style name - Would you vote for 'Party'!?

    Whats with the poppy too - anyone know?
  3. jannerboyuk

    jannerboyuk ...just kids gone wild.

    Thats the weird thing. The only thing that i connect the poppy with is either the red one for remembering the war and the white one to put a pacifist spin on that. Never seen any other use of the poppy in something political and certainly nothing to relate it specifically to wales. I can see why they've tried to avoid anything too cliche but still a bit strange. I wondered how much they paid some advertising agency to come up with this. Doesn't seem to have been the culmination of a democratic consultation with the membership either.
  4. Dai Sheep

    Dai Sheep Member

  5. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    Ych a fi.

    Its blydi ┬┤orrible.

    I spose it looks a bit like a daffodil, but also a bit like the BP logo.

    Will these changes see a split in the party?
  6. ZIZI

    ZIZI From 1-10 = 11

    The poppy reminds me of the BP thing.


    That is too much like Cymru Ymlaen.

    Sorry Chilango, can see you think the same. (BP Logo) :D
  7. Dai Sheep

    Dai Sheep Member

    I thought it looked familiar :D

    I think it's OK. Although I preferred the triban logo myself.
  8. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    who comes up with this shit! seriously :mad:
    dropping the colours and 'Cymru' :rolleyes:

    anyone see the political broadcast? - schoolkid stuff :eek:
  9. colacho

    colacho gorau arf, arf dysg

    A kid let loose with a spirograph and no colours other than shades of yellow! It's total bollocks! Bit like Plaid itself, then- and to think I used to help my mother address envelopes for these fuckers back in the 60s (mind you, I was only 7)...
  10. lewislewis

    lewislewis Lumumba Cymru

    Mixed reactions to this...

    I think its too soft, it seems to be aiming to bring Plaid Cymru in line with the SNP. I don't think its particularly a good idea and i'll need some time to get used to it.

    The party's name has not changed, but 'Plaid' is being officially recognised as the short form of our name, which remains Plaid Cymru- The Party of Wales.

    These changes mean nothing unless there is real change in the party's policies. We'll have to wait and see.
  11. Karac

    Karac Mae Hen Wlad Fy Mamau

    :( Itsa bum change

    I remember seeing something about this a few months ago.
    Apparently an image company was employed and they came to the conclusion after much money that-
    "If Plaid Cymru change their image from green mountains to a yellow poppy they will win 0.1% more votes"

    So they went for it.
  12. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    That's bizarre.

    Is that a 0.1% increase on their current vote (negligible) or an increase of 0.1% of the total vote (200% increase?).

    If they changed their image from 'anachronistic mythology-led anus-gazers' to some kind of viable alternative to New Labour I'm sure they'd win a lot more than 0.1%.
  13. Karac

    Karac Mae Hen Wlad Fy Mamau

    If you could name me a viable alternative to Plaid Cymru id be extremely interested.
  14. 8ball

    8ball Hetero Sapiens

    Do you mean a 'viable alternative to New Labour in Wales that isn't Plaid Cymru' or a 'viable alternative to Plaid Cymru' (which would be Labour - being the only show in town judging by the last election results).

    If you meant the former, then you're right, there isn't one.

    'Tis a bummer . . . :(
  15. nwnm

    nwnm total fucking user!

    "Thats the weird thing. The only thing that i connect the poppy with is either the red one for remembering the war and the white one to put a pacifist spin on that."

    Aren't poppies where opium comes from? Maybe thats why they just want to be known as 'Party' - thats all they wanna do! I can see it all now, Adam Price with a rolled up fiver in each nostril chanting "who needs Karl Marx whan you can 'ave charlie" and "I get a kick from cocaine". the 'party' people unvailing a new cheap drugs policy; the "Scag the Drag" campaign.

    Followed by a lurch to the lysergic left as they follow in the wake of the White Panthers and issue a manifesto calling for free drugs rock'n'roll and fucking in the streets....

    (If this really happens I want 'observer' passes to all your conferences....)
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  16. King Biscuit Time

    King Biscuit Time Well-Known Member

    It's so clearly a daffodil innit.

    Why don't they say its a daffodil? That would make more sense.
  17. Redstar

    Redstar New Member

    Yellow as a colour totally sums up the spirit of Plaid Cymru. Ieuan Wynge Jones was quoted as saying it was a refreshing exercise "like going out and buying a new suit."

    Well the last time I bought a new suit was 3 years ago - and I still didn't get the bloody job. :oops:
  18. Col_Buendia

    Col_Buendia sort code

    How does reducing the name to just Plaid work for Welsh speakers, I wonder. Would it mean that (in Welsh) you would have to call them "the Party party"? Or would it lead to an undue emphasis on the definite article, e.g. The Party, to distinguish them from any other passing party... it all starts to sound a bit Orwellian, to my tender, non-Welsh understanding ears, but being The Party in their language of choice seems spooky.

    <This insight was brought to you by two native speakers of English. Don't say we don't care.>
  19. niclas

    niclas Active Member

  20. Col_Buendia

    Col_Buendia sort code

    So, no alliances with the Tories, then, to get Labour out?
  21. King Biscuit Time

    King Biscuit Time Well-Known Member

    So there is Meconopsis Cambrica
  22. niclas

    niclas Active Member

    Last I heard, a couple of old guard people (Cynog Dafis being one) were pushing this line but the National Council knocked it on the head. So, no deals with the Tories.
  23. Col_Buendia

    Col_Buendia sort code

    If it looks like a daffodil, walks like a daffodil, and quacks like a daffodil, then it's a daffodil.

  24. lewislewis

    lewislewis Lumumba Cymru

    I've now come to terms with the logo change and quite like it.

    The explicit use of the word socialist is very welcome too! No other party in Wales is pinning its colours to the mast, they shirk from the word 'socialism' as if embarassed at what it entails.
  25. jannerboyuk

    jannerboyuk ...just kids gone wild.

    Bloody hell the re-education programme is bloody fast!
  26. nwnm

    nwnm total fucking user!

    its not re-education! they just supply some really good gear m-a-a-a-n :D
  27. neprimerimye

    neprimerimye Well-Known Member

    Both the Socialist Workers Party and Socialist Party openly describe themselves as socialist. Unlike Plaid they are not sponsored by capitalists.

    Socialism means workers power or it means nothing. How workers power can be reconciled with sponsorship by the boss class is a curiousity I look forward to your explaining.
  28. lewislewis

    lewislewis Lumumba Cymru

    I meant a proper political party, not a paper-selling outfit.

    Edited to add- And obviously since the collapse of the USSR socialism is now understood by the majority of workers as being social democracy.
  29. niclas

    niclas Active Member

    Sponsored by capitalists? In what way? Tell me you haven't fallen into Udo's pernicious little trap.

    Sponsorship means a company paying for something. Can you show that it gets money from any capitalist company? According to the last lot of accounts I saw from the Electoral Commission Plaid Cymru was getting fuck all of fuck all from the boss class.
  30. nwnm

    nwnm total fucking user!

    "obviously since the collapse of the USSR socialism is now understood by the majority of workers as being social democracy."

    Actually (and probably even before the collapse of the Russian empire) 'socialism' has been understood by workers as, to coin a phrase from an old Who song as "Meet the new boss.....the same as the old boss" - the trouble is, they don't automatically generate any political consciousness from this ritual of sell outs. As generations of people entered politics believing that they could ameliorate the worst effects of capitalism on behalf of their class, they turned into their own worst enemies. In merely fighting for change within the status quo, the system gradually changed them. Its hard now to believe 'that bastard' Peter Hain is the same person who once wrote a book about how he was framed by the police for example.(And before the collapse of stalinism there was a large Communist Party who would give left cover for such reformists/social democrats - reinforcing passivity)

    Rosa Luxemgerg in "The Mass Strike" wrote how the struggle for reform within the system was a 'labour of syssiphus'. This is the ancient greek myth where someone is constantly rolling a boulder up a hill only for it to roll down and having to start again. Only trouble is there are two major differences -
    1) Those rolling the boulder up the hill have decided to side with the boulder as they have accepted a neo liberal agenda; and the fucking thing threatens to crush us.
    2) The dead hand of stalinism no longer holds sway over the labour movement. This is a double edged sword. on the one hand there isn't a network of stewards in workplaces able to generalise discontent (which the CP was able to do to an extent despite itself). But there is a more amorphous layer of working people who are inspired by the anti capitalist and anti war movements, who have the potential to give voice to more spontaneous explosions of discontent.

    Yeah fight for reforms in the here and now - we all do. but you also need to have a vision of a better society free from tyranny. hence the existance of people who you dismiss as a mere 'paper selling exercise' like us. as another old 70's song goes "Won't you roll AWAY the stone?"

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