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editor said:
Yep. Could you imagine this tech inside a proper dSLR?
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Quite... and whilst they’re there, add a SIM card slot, make WiFi standard. Have options to auto-upload to a choice of providers. Google, Apple, Adobe
mauvais said:
I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself there. Computational photography has its place but it's no substitute for the same thing done right without it, at least where feasible. You can usually build up a better version of the truth by taking in more data and averaging it, but you can have all the data you like and if it's bad data you get a bad average and a bad result. Better to have good data from a single capture. Plus once you start taking in data beyond a single exposure you open yourself up to all kinds of artefacts and errors; most panoramas I've taken with a phone have something wrong with them, and no it's not technique.
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I’ll politely disagree

Let’s reframe this:

- Manual computational photography. This is what you’re describing. Shoot the requisite images, locked off ideally, then work it through on a computer with separately purchased software.

- Real time in-camera computational photography. Job done for you.

Very different in terms of usability.

I think think it will become an *option*
 
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paolo said:
Quite... and whilst they’re there, add a SIM card slot, make WiFi standard. Have options to auto-upload to a choice of providers. Google, Apple, Adobe


I’ll politely disagree

Let’s refram this:

- Manual computational photography. This is what you’re describing. Shoot the requisite images, locked off ideally, then work it through on a computer with separately purchased software.

- Real time in-camera computational photography.

Very different in terms of usability.
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Sure, if like-for-like. But it's not. A DSLR or equivalent still has such an advantage in its latitude (optics, dynamic range, sensor size) that in a lot of use cases you don't need combination-based calculation in the first place. Then there's a middle ground where the phone can do something more for you, maybe getting it right, and that utility beats the complexity of getting a better result in post.

Computational photography is a good thing because it's another tool in the toolbox and anything that extends the possibilities where you might have hit a limit is useful. It'll be great when it appears in more conservative equipment like DSLRs, and no reason it shouldn't. The trend puts phone makers in a good competitive position and I agree on that, but I'm not at all sold on the idea that they've already been 'leapfrogged'. Depends what you're comparing. Is a £1k+ DSLR body fair comparison to a £800 phone? Apples and oranges isn't it.
 
When I said leapfrogged, the context was other phone makers.

Nonetheless, I’d say Google, and behind them Apple, are doing better with in-camera HDR than say Canon.

Canon does try this. They’re not eschewing this in the way you allude to.

The issue is they do it *badly*.

As Editor says... imagine this tech, done properly, on a proper big deal sensor. It would would be a lot better than the likes of Canon are currently toting.
 
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Pixel 3 XL glitch is causing a second notch to appear, but a fix is coming
 
There's plenty of rumours of a Pixel 3 Lite coming out - cheaper but with the same amazing camera.

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The Pixel 3 Lite is the phone on the left, with a taller screen and aspect ratio, at 5.56-inches and 18.5:9. It is powered by the Snapdragon 670 chip and has 4GB of RAM. 32- and 64GB options will likely be available, and powering everything is a 2,915mAh battery.

Camera-wise, the Pixel 3 Lite will most likely feature the same 12MP shooter found on the Pixel 3, as well as the 8MP front-facing unit. Judging by the frequency of the leaks, we can assume an official announcement should not be far out. However, rumor has it that the Pixel 3 Lite will not have a very wide availability; Google might limit it to certain regions and countries, but we’ll have to wait for official wording on that.
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Google Pixel 3 Lite poses next to its high-end sibling

#interested
 
Headphone jack here we come!

when it's less than 300 quid I might get one. cant really justify spending more than that on a phone, personally
 
I treated myself to one of these for Christmas and I love it!

I think it's interesting, though, that Google doesn't seem to want to innovate in terms of design, leaving that to Apple and Samsung
 
how hard is it to answer. hang up straight away and block the number? the amount of time you spend reading the text, realising it's a spam call and blocking the number is the same time it takes to answer and mark as spam.
 
donkyboy said:
how hard is it to answer. hang up straight away and block the number? the amount of time you spend reading the text, realising it's a spam call and blocking the number is the same time it takes to answer and mark as spam.
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Spam calls really wind me up so I'd LOVE to have this feature.
 
You can ID spam calls already with apps like Hiya.

The spammer being able to talk text at me is unwelcome.
 
mauvais said:
You can ID spam calls already with apps like Hiya.

The spammer being able to talk text at me is unwelcome.
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Each to their own but I'd like to say what the call is about before being interrupted and having to answer it - and having the option to send an instant message back depending on what the call is about.

I'm not so keen on letting a 3rd party access my calls.
 
I just took a look at the permissions that Hiya needs:

This app has access to:
In-app purchases
Allows the user to make purchases from within this app
Contacts
Uses contact information
Location
Uses the device's location
SMS
Uses one or more of: SMS, MMS. Charges may apply.
Phone
Uses one or more of: phone, call log. Charges may apply.
Photos / Media / Files
Uses one or more of: files on the device such as images, videos or audio, the device's external storage
Wi-Fi connection information
Allows the app to view information about Wi-Fi networking, such as whether Wi-Fi is enabled and names of connected Wi-Fi devices
Device ID & call information
Allows the app to determine the phone number and device IDs, whether a call is active and the remote number connected by a call
Other
  • receive data from Internet
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Feature here Best Caller ID App to Filter or Block Spam Phone Calls: Hiya vs Truecaller
 
Most of that is required to do its job. Some of Android's permissions system is a bit confusing.

Photos and purchases, I don't know.
 
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