Photos of S. London kids with guns
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Jonti
what the dormouse said
I'm glad you linked to that thread. I was so suprised at Goldman's claims about Raleigh Hall being used as a shooting gallery I did a thorough but informal survey of the premises with a view to gaining access and taking possession.chegrimandi said:http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=154254
If there's ever been a good reason to generally smarten up and dare I say it gentrify certain areas of Brixton....If this is what keeping it real in Brixton is all about, then the sooner some developer that decrepit old shooting gallery by the square into luxury flats the better.
luxury flats, gentrify...
you're going to get abuse posting that kind of stuff here goldman.
Contrary to the claims Goldman was making at the time, the place was thoroughly secured.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
TeeJay said:
for me it's merely the fac that this person get's paid a pretty penny to do the job of a photo editor and is attempting to obtain free images for their stock libary with out paying or offering the insentive to pay which means that the poor sod who takes the image is ripped off in order that he can then claim the exclusive rights to it and profit from it...
that and using urban only as a launch pad to slag off part of the community and to blagg freebies from it's users... it's a bit like saying your mums a slag but she won't let me have a go...
i don't thin anyone expressed the idea that if you shoot these images that you are a paracite more that if you attempt to blag others images by rolling up at an internet communtiy and say here anyone got any freebies it's considered a tad rude...
IMHO if you don't understand that then you are somewhat missing the point for the sake of pedantry
Blagsta said:
So I bitterly complained about the horrible crack situation that has been getting steadily worse around central Brixton. Big deal. It's turning the place into a nightmare.
Some of the responses to this thread are over-the-top & hysterical. Like I'm somehow as bad as the idiots brandishing the guns. Like I posted the thread as some kind of money-making exercise. Either people have a completely blinkered view of what's going on, or they have little or no concept of how the media works. Either way, some of the views expressed here are so far removed from reality, it's a joke.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
An honest request
Has anyone got any photos of lazy journalists being caned by the local community for a total fuckwitter of a request?
I'm not trying to glamourise journo-hate....honest!
Has anyone got any photos of lazy journalists being caned by the local community for a total fuckwitter of a request?
I'm not trying to glamourise journo-hate....honest!
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
why not get off oyur arse and go shoot some shots...goldman said:
goldman said:
right, I've watched this thread with interest, but I have to say it..
cunt.
it's what I thought when I saw the original post, and it's still what I think.
People are on your back because
a) journos aren't always popular on here
b) lazy ones that want to use this community website (but contribute little) even less so
c) no-one believes that the story you'll be writing/involved in will be anything more than sensationalist crap that will add nothing to the debate other than scaring people and giving unnesseccary kudos to those people involved in such activities.
d) you have past history of calling drug users 'parasites' 'pathetic junkies' 'sub-human' and cussing off aspects of brixton in general - not really going to win you many friends really.
tell you what, write your fucking story, then post it up on here to prove us all wrong. I triple fucking dare you.
twister said:right, I've watched this thread with interest, but I have to say it..
cunt.
it's what I thought when I saw the original post, and it's still what I think.
People are on your back because
a) journos aren't always popular on here
b) lazy ones that want to use this community website (but contribute little) even less so
c) no-one believes that the story you'll be writing/involved in will be anything more than sensationalist crap that will add nothing to the debate other than scaring people and giving unnesseccary kudos to those people involved in such activities.
d) you have past history of calling drug users 'parasites' 'pathetic junkies' 'sub-human' and cussing off aspects of brixton in general - not really going to win you many friends really.
tell you what, write your fucking story, then post it up on here to prove us all wrong. I triple fucking dare you.
I'm not a writer I'm a picture editor, so sorry to disappoint you but you won't be seeing the story. You have no idea who I work for, so don't be so judgemental on the kind of story I was working on because you haven't the faintest idea.
re. the junkies that intimidated my girlfriend/broke into my flat/terrorised my poor neighbor and generally acted like selfish losers, my position remains largely unchanged.
Frankly this sanctimonius, holier-than-thou crap everone's spouting doesn't surprise me one bit. It's typical of the narrow-minded attitudes on here.
Anyway I spoke to a South London based snapper yesterday who had managed to gain access to some of these kids through work he did in the music scene. Looked at his photos and decided not to publish because they were inappropriate. But feel free to flame me anyway - you obviously haven't got anything better to do
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
who do you work for then some big secret or would they not appricate you trawling here for your job when you should a) working and b) actualyl sourcing the shit throught he appropreate channels...goldman said:
this bit however really means they asked too much money for the shots...
'Cos blowing people away is what the kidz do these dayz...? skunkboy69
Reverend of Eternal Light
goldman said:
A journalist wanting authentic stuff? How novel
goldman said:
It's not about how the media works you pillock, it's about you seeking 'authentic' photos to add a bit of alarmist frisson to some story. And you giving these kids, craving status and a bit of notoriety, the opportunity to pose in their gangsta best and wave their weapons about. That's not likely to be productive, nor does the fact that it'd be authentic add much to the story other than bragging rights for the local crew.
And stop with the patronising 'removed from reality' bollocks eh. It's bad enough you making a reactionary twat out of yourself regularly here, but don't pontificate to others on top of it. I've lived here for more than 30 years, a stone's throw away from you it seems, and in a past life I was a manager for Getty Images (and before that Tony Stone), supplying the likes of lazy arses like you with photos. I'd wager I'm far more connected to 'reality' than you'd want to believe in your 'I can't believe Saltoun rd has drug dealers' ivory tower...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
wanted too mcuh money i'm betting...jæd said:What was wrong...? Wrong kind of guns...? Kids not youg enuff...?
Sorry Garf but this is the origional post and it doesn't contain any mention of 'freebies':GarfieldLeChat said:for me it's merely the fac that this person get's paid a pretty penny to do the job of a photo editor and is attempting to obtain free images for their stock libary with out paying or offering the insentive to pay which means that the poor sod who takes the image is ripped off in order that he can then claim the exclusive rights to it and profit from it...
that and using urban only as a launch pad to slag off part of the community and to blagg freebies from it's users... it's a bit like saying your mums a slag but she won't let me have a go...
i don't thin anyone expressed the idea that if you shoot these images that you are a paracite more that if you attempt to blag others images by rolling up at an internet communtiy and say here anyone got any freebies it's considered a tad rude...
IMHO if you don't understand that then you are somewhat missing the point for the sake of pedantry
It simply asks about photographers who have done any work in this area. If he had been asking about anyone who had taken photos of kids with guns in palestine then someone could have easially mentioned your name.
If someone contacted you and wanted to use one of your photos what would you say?
Do you think that all photojournalists glamourise the people they photograph - how about people whose photos manage to show the pain fear and suffering that exists side by side with guns - that manage to say something meaningful about the people and communities involved? Are you saying that as soon as a weapon appears in a photograph it 'glamourises' violence?
How do you square this analysis with pictures by someone like this for example:tarannau said:
Award-winning photographer Donna DeCesare will show some of her latest work at the LSE this summer - an exhibition she calls Hijos del Destino: Images of Youth Violence in Latin America.
The exhibition is a collection of around 24 photo novelas exploring how war, trauma and gangs impact the personal choices and social stigmas faced by young people across the Americas. Focusing on transnational youth gangs, Hijos del Destino shows the tragic consequence of repression and impunity and the potential for social documentary photography.
A preview of one of the photo novellas can be seen at http://www.pixelpress.org/contents/donna_edgar/index.html
DeCesare said: 'The exhibition is inspired by my experience of covering the wars of Central America in the 1980s as a photojournalist. I grew concerned about the fate of young war refugees growing up in tough neighborhoods in Los Angeles. Some were finding solace for rejection, economic options and a place to forge identity or share traumatic memories in the gangs of their new country's barrios. With changing US drug and immigration laws in the 1990s, many youths were sent back to countries they left as small children. Over ten years I covered the lives of deported gang members and the worsening conditions in Central America. These pictures tell some of their stories.'
International Acton Network on Small Arms:
New report on armed children
A new report estimates that there are hundreds of thousands of children in organised armed violence worldwide.
Neither War nor Peace is the first international study on children in armed groups in countries that are not involved in conflict. It reveals that:
* armed groups recruiting children have become more violent since the 1980s, due to growing involvement in the illicit drug trade, increased access to guns and due to persistent and often violent state repression
* children joining are getting younger - most of the children interviewed in this report were armed and full group members by the age of 14
* children are openly armed in parts of Brazil, Colombia, Nigeria and the Philippines, patrolling group territories
* members of the state security forces are directly involved with armed groups employing children in 8 of the 10 countries studied, and in Jamaica, Nigeria and the Philippines, local government is directly involved with those groups
Produced by the Children in Organised Armed Violence (COAV) programme, (an IANSA member) the report interviewed 120 armed children and youths in 10 countries worldwide: Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Jamaica, Nigeria, Northern Ireland, the Philippines, South Africa and the USA. The groups included ethnic militia, drug factions, youth street gangs and vigilante groups.
Download the report: http://www.iansa.org/issues/coav-report-may2005.htm
New report on armed children
A new report estimates that there are hundreds of thousands of children in organised armed violence worldwide.
Neither War nor Peace is the first international study on children in armed groups in countries that are not involved in conflict. It reveals that:
* armed groups recruiting children have become more violent since the 1980s, due to growing involvement in the illicit drug trade, increased access to guns and due to persistent and often violent state repression
* children joining are getting younger - most of the children interviewed in this report were armed and full group members by the age of 14
* children are openly armed in parts of Brazil, Colombia, Nigeria and the Philippines, patrolling group territories
* members of the state security forces are directly involved with armed groups employing children in 8 of the 10 countries studied, and in Jamaica, Nigeria and the Philippines, local government is directly involved with those groups
Produced by the Children in Organised Armed Violence (COAV) programme, (an IANSA member) the report interviewed 120 armed children and youths in 10 countries worldwide: Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Jamaica, Nigeria, Northern Ireland, the Philippines, South Africa and the USA. The groups included ethnic militia, drug factions, youth street gangs and vigilante groups.
Download the report: http://www.iansa.org/issues/coav-report-may2005.htm
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