PhD peeps- motivation and the like

Discussion in 'education & employment' started by Kuso, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. Kuso

    Kuso drinking like george best, gettin less women

    that time of year I suppose, few people in the lab going through this atm. congrats!

    i cannot wait until tomorrow is over, after that I have no more teaching/ demonstrating/ supervising projects/ conferences/ research cluster gash and can just get on with my own stuff.

    waste of time this presentation tomorrow- supposed to be in the name of collaboration, but I'm going to be presenting to people who have already not let me use equipment or whatever in their lab :mad:, hate the politics of this place sometime.

    i couldn't give a fuck about it, but doing a shoddy version will reflect badly on my supervisor and he's been great with me, so...
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  2. toggle

    toggle wobbly

    there will be a point to a rewrite of some of the paper, diff audience, diff focus.

    but thanks.
  3. Kuso

    Kuso drinking like george best, gettin less women

    yeah, I can imagine needing to maybe put a slightly different slant on things or to highlight certain aspects for different conferences/ audiences. But I don't think you've anything to worry about using the same body of work or even massive chunks of the same text etc. enjoy your couple of conferences anyway!
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  4. toggle

    toggle wobbly

    i will.

    I do have backup from a supervisor, but i see him once every 2 months or so, cause he's on sabbatical atm and i live 60 miles from uni. and a lot of the faculty professional development stuff we did was assuming we wouldn't be hitting this side of things much until phd so could be told about it all then. we got to sit through painfully boring lectures that taught me how to fill in approval forms that I'd learnt how to do in my first year from a woman who seemed determined to get the least interested students up the front of the room and do yoga on the front desk while wearing a short skirt.

    so i either wait ages and dither, or i'm asking here.
  5. toggle

    toggle wobbly


    got to do the skills analysis thing for my critical journal.i can write reflective bollocks and do well in it, but this is beyond me

    suggestion was the vitae template.i'm getting massively stuck on what goes in which box and what is evidence of what. i know there are bits i can leave out, cause they don't fit my field, but gah. this sucks.
  6. Lo Siento.

    Lo Siento. Second As Farce

    rewriting my 3rd chapter, and I just got permission come through from the University to do my oral history interviews (with people who worked in the car industry 1945-79), plan is to do as many as possible then leave the tapes and transcripts at the Bishopsgate Institute. Incidentally if anyone is, or knows potential interviewees let me know, I'd love to speak to you/them
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  7. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

    Speaking as PhD student, if there's one person I hate, it's former SWPer Richard Seymour. He appears to have his fith book coming out this winter:

    During the course of his PhD he's written five books on the side as well as publish an array of journal articles and op-ed pieces in national titles. Most PhD students get 1 or perhaps 2 journal articles published during the course of their studies at best. Where the hell does he find the time to write five fucking books as well as blog, speak at international conferences, do interviews and the like :mad: (I mean, I know he's been at his PhD quite a bit now - 6 or 7 years perhaps? - but even so it's a pretty prodigious output isn't it).
  8. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    He's only doing the non-PhD stuff, that's how. He might be registered as a PhD student but you know yourself that a PhD is 40-60 hours a week minimum.

    I got two papers published, fwiw.
  9. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    I got a paper published then stopped on my phd :D

    I totted up all my words this week, out of a max of 80,000 I have 16,400. I clearly waffle WAY too much :oops: I'm only a third of the way through my lit review, actually not even that :oops:
  10. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

    Passed my viva with no corrections today. Feel both exhausted and very happy. :cool:
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  11. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    No corrections is a bit impressive! Well done you!!
  12. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    WOOHOO!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!

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  13. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

    Thanks, there are definitely quite a few typos and footnote mistakes, but it seems that increasingly these aren't seen as important from the viva perspective, you're just expected to make appropriate corrections before you electronically upload the thing...
  14. Roadkill

    Roadkill Well-Known Member

  15. nino_savatte

    nino_savatte No pasaran!

    Wow! Well done.:cool::thumbs:

    I had my annual review last week and I've got another 18 months ahead of me. :(
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  16. Kuso

    Kuso drinking like george best, gettin less women

    I was supposed to submit last september... :(

    got to this september... doing this year with no funding so working days here n there when I can and trying to fit uni round it. without a doubt this is the most difficult thing I've ever done. cannot wait to finish it. fair play to anyone that already has, I doff my cap to ye
  17. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    I'm coming to realise that in order to progress in my chosen career (HE administration) I need to (finally) commit to doing my PhD.
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  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i've come to realise that to make myself truly unemployable i should commit to doing a phd. i'll be seeing a prospective supervisor in a couple of weeks :oops:
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  19. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    When I worked in HE admin, I found it was really noticeable the change in attitudes to staff with PhDs and to those without. It really shouldn't make a difference, but unfortunately there's always one academic who treats admin with barely-disguised contempt. Reminding that person that your qualifications are equal to theirs makes a PhD worthwhile in my experience. Best of luck.
  20. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    Will you go full time or part time, if you decide to do it?

    You can still get a job with a PhD you know - to really make yourself unemployable your subject would have to be exceptionally specialist.
  21. steeplejack

    steeplejack Reluctant Hardliner

    I finished my Phd 15 years ago now, I still shudder sometimes at the memory of the difficult times- being hopelessly unable to do anything for 3 months, having to finish the bugger in an unfunded 4th year whilst doing a full time job.

    It feels wonderful when you do finish though, and well worth the struggle it takes to get there, which you all will.

    Writing up is painful, unpleasant and difficult. If I had my time over again I would have made more of an effort to define exactly what i was going to do and how. PhDs seems *so* professional now; the endless mission statements; the seminar papers; the regular reports; the part time teaching.

    By comparison, my process seems antedeluvian; I was the last of the generations that could simply gather dust ina library for 3 years, become an expert in one aspect of thirty years of history, and write up. The academic equivalent of going off to explore the Congo in a Tiger Moth, with only a college scarf, a cricket jumper and a teddy bear for company, alongside 300 tins of bully beef.
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  22. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

    Cheers man, hang in there, it's all worth it when you get to the end. :)
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  23. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    I'm still here, another break last xmas for personal reasons that lasted until Easter this year but have been on the case since. Trying to write up a methodology section when you made no notes makes for a total and utter lack of motivation. I NEED to get this done this week and my lit review restructured or I'm going to run out of time.

    Come on aqua, fucking crack on will you :mad:
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  24. iamwithnail

    iamwithnail Well-Known Member

    Things I've done to procastinate over the course of my PhD:
    Learn to program
    Start a company.
    Have a child.

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  25. aqua

    aqua made of cheese and gin

    :D life events since I started: Dads house flooded (2007), Dad diagnosed with rare dementia (aged 62), had child, expecting another, plus various other major life events. When I started I worked and had nothing else going on. I don't think my life could be more different now if I tried. Dad is in very late stages of his illness (but thankfully very well cared for so at least that's more settled) and I've had 2 x 1yr leave of absences in total. Fucking hell :D

    As for actual conscious procrastination things: learning to be a cake decorator, doing the kitchen/backyard/bathroom/loft/redecorated every room in the house, took up gardening, had children (it was ultimately my choice :D)

    Studying parttime is bollocks :D
  26. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    Unfortunately, it does make a massive difference when dealing with academics. They do take you more seriously once you have one. And even entry level positions expect you to have one which is a bit shitty, but that said it does help.

    I worked in HE admin for a while (4 years in total, two jobs) on the research & commercialisation side of things. PM me if you have any questions.
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  27. smmudge

    smmudge Sissy that walk!

    The PhD admissions tutor is the same guy who supervised my masters diss and I really really need a ref from! (Don't have a whole bunch of options and he knows me well) I hope he can still do it, though he'll basically be writing a ref to himself?!?
  28. Lo Siento.

    Lo Siento. Second As Farce

  29. purves grundy

    purves grundy ambient clown remix

  30. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager

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