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Phantom Menace

I don't see your point.
The point is that Anakin's mum was actually perfectly happy. Shortly after the events of TPM, she married a free man and raised a family as a free woman. There was no need for Anakin to be worried about her.

It just so happened that another ten years later, she happened to be kidnapped by Tuskan Raiders. But that kind of accident was the kind of thing that could have happened anywhere, really -- it was completely unrelated to her life as a former slave.
 
that's what they said

slavery and gangsterism was rife even when we join the story and they are in charge pretty muchunchallenged

not to mention democracy being nonexistent, all of the rulers we see are monarchs,

The alternative, of course, was do as we say or we'll blow up your entire planet.

I don't think there's any suggestion that the society was perfect, but the Empire is not a better choice, and that's what the Sith represented.

And besides, it's a fantasy, and as kabbes said, full of plot holes. :D
 
The point is that Anakin's mum was actually perfectly happy. Shortly after the events of TPM, she married a free man and raised a family as a free woman. There was no need for Anakin to be worried about her.

It just so happened that another ten years later, she happened to be kidnapped by Tuskan Raiders. But that kind of accident was the kind of thing that could have happened anywhere, really -- it was completely unrelated to her life as a former slave.

it's really hard to believe the jedis versions of events isn't it
 
yeah the lil uns should learn how to swing a light sbare rather then make pithy comments about planets being where they should be.

That will learns them.

dave
 
No, this is a common misunderstanding of the intentions of the writer. Balance does NOT mean both good and evil. That is a Dungeons and Dragons notion. In the Star Wars universe, Balance can only exist in the ABSENCE of evil.

So is evil like 'too heavy' or something?
 
No, this is a common misunderstanding of the intentions of the writer. Balance does NOT mean both good and evil. That is a Dungeons and Dragons notion. In the Star Wars universe, Balance can only exist in the ABSENCE of evil.


in order for there to be good there must be evil. if there was no sith the jedi would have nothing to compare themselves to and a lot of common people's thoughts of the jedi would come true
 
It's definitely utterly riddled with plot holes. It's just that, ironically, they don't tend to be the plot holes that people often suggest :D
 
So is evil like 'too heavy' or something?
Yeah, sure. Why not?

in order for there to be good there must be evil. if there was no sith the jedi would have nothing to compare themselves to and a lot of common people's thoughts of the jedi would come true
There is no evidence for any of that, though. It's all just come from your head.

Star Wars is a fantasy. And as written by the author of that fantasy, "balance in the force" comes from having no dark side to cloud it. Pure and simple.
 
yeah yeah thats what i was(kinda) saying.

In tyerms of cosmic balence there is still evil in the universe but in terms of the force there is no evil.

dave
 
It's only force evil that matters, though, when you are talking about balance in the force.

Maybe the good force balenced the regular evil in the universe and the sith tipped the force scales the wrong way.

Why can there only be two sith lords at a time and if so why does Darth have an apprentice in that new computer game?
 
Yeah, sure. Why not?

There is no evidence for any of that, though. It's all just come from your head. It's a fantasy. And as written by the author of that fantasy, "balance in the force" comes from having no dark side to cloud it. Pure and simple.

depends what you class as darkside i suppose.

as i said beofore taking kids from parents, brainwashing them, keeping secrets of the force from them and putting them in situations where they could be slaughtered isn't considered good to me.
 
I reckon that if you want to criticise the Star Wars canon, you should do so on its own terms. And Jabba knows there is enough inconsistency and contradiction to manage it.

Darths And Droids does a pretty good job of pointing out a lot of the real plot holes, whilst explaining why a lot of the apparent plot holes aren't really plot holes at all.
 
If someone had done the god and honurable thing and drowned bloody ja ja binks then palpetine wouldnt never have been given the emeregncy powers.

Or they would have found another stooge. But at least ja ja would be dead.

dave
 
depends what you class as darkside i suppose.

as i said beofore taking kids from parents, brainwashing them, keeping secrets of the force from them and putting them in situations where they could be slaughtered isn't considered good to me.
It all makes sense within the context of a magic ability that has the power to cause untold devestation in the universe, however. In a universe where such a thing exists, you can see why an incredible degree of monastic control would be required.

Also: Jedi are taken away from their parents and prevented from forming personal attachments to prevent the very thing that caused Anakin to go fucking mental! The events of the first trilogy are actually an endorsement of the Jedi's methods!
 
Maybe the good force balenced the regular evil in the universe and the sith tipped the force scales the wrong way.

Why can there only be two sith lords at a time and if so why does Darth have an apprentice in that new computer game?

i think in the new game the apprentice was not trained to be a sith, a dark jedi more like.

the reason why there is only two sith at one time was due to the great sith war when all but one was slaughtered. the rule of two works like this: master trains apprentice, apprentice kills master, recruits new apprentice and becomes master. repeat
 
Why can there only be two sith lords at a time and if so why does Darth have an apprentice in that new computer game?
Now THAT is a fair question. The line about only two sith lords makes absolutely no bloody sense whatsoever, in my opinion.
 
the reason why there is only two sith at one time was due to the great sith war when all but one was slaughtered. the rule of two works like this: master trains apprentice, apprentice kills master, recruits new apprentice and becomes master. repeat
But then you really have to ask why any master would ever train an apprentice. It just seems a bit self-defeating, frankly.
 
It all makes sense within the context of a magic ability that has the power to cause untold devestation in the universe, however. In a universe where such a thing exists, you can see why an incredible degree of monastic control would be required.

Also: Jedi are taken away from their parents and prevented from forming personal attachments to prevent the very thing that caused Anakin to go fucking mental! The events of the first trilogy are actually an endorsement of the Jedi's methods!

but anakin wouldn't have been able to become so powerful and messed up if they had just left him the fuck alone
 
but anakin wouldn't have been able to become so powerful and messed up if they had just left him the fuck alone
... which, if you remember, is what both Yoda and Obi-Won actually wanted to do. It was Qui-Gon that insisted on training him.
 
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