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Ph FFS I've had it with Traffic Police this week

They do that in Staffordshire, and broadcast it on local radio - but it's never particularly accurate, they just say "speed cameras this week on the A50, A500 and A34".

I'm with Zenie and Pembrokestephen on this one, driving now seems to be less about observing the road ahead and making sure you're ready to avoid a hazard and more about gawping at the speedo like a hawk to make sure you're not doing 41 in a 40 zone, and watching out for every layby in case they've stuck one of those vans in - not to mention the snide ones in Cheshire who use unmarked cars or vans with "painting and decorating" on the side; makes you suspicious of everything parked at the side of the road, that's not "safety"!

To be honest, being fined fifty quid if I was doing 36 in a 30 would be a fair cop, but being male and twenty years old, it's the extra insurance payments for having points that'd cripple me if I ever got done for speeding - three points would probably be enough to take me off the road.
 
chio said:
They do that in Staffordshire, and broadcast it on local radio - but it's never particularly accurate, they just say "speed cameras this week on the A50, A500 and A34".

I'm with Zenie and Pembrokestephen on this one, driving now seems to be less about observing the road ahead and making sure you're ready to avoid a hazard and more about gawping at the speedo like a hawk to make sure you're not doing 41 in a 40 zone, and watching out for every layby in case they've stuck one of those vans in - not to mention the snide ones in Cheshire who use unmarked cars or vans with "painting and decorating" on the side; makes you suspicious of everything parked at the side of the road, that's not "safety"!

To be honest, being fined fifty quid if I was doing 36 in a 30 would be a fair cop, but being male and twenty years old, it's the extra insurance payments for having points that'd cripple me if I ever got done for speeding - three points would probably be enough to take me off the road.


i just renewed my insurance after my most recent points it was an extra £30, mostly because the last 3 points are less than 4 years old, next year it won't make any difference to the premium as the first 3 points will then be over 4 years and they will ignore them

as far as i can make out 3 points doesn't make a difference insurance wise - but 6 does a little bit
 
djbombscare said:
... unmarked van ...
For future reference, there is no LEGAL requirement for cameras to be yellow or enforcement vehicles to be marked. Those requirements are simply part of the deal if they are wanting to keep the money themselves - enforcement by unmarked cameras and vans is entirely legal but the fines go to the Treasury.
 
detective-boy said:
For future reference, there is no LEGAL requirement for cameras to be yellow or enforcement vehicles to be marked. Those requirements are simply part of the deal if they are wanting to keep the money themselves - enforcement by unmarked cameras and vans is entirely legal but the fines go to the Treasury.
There's a big firm of decorators around these parts going by the name of "ARAFWCH!". Loadsa vans, they have.
 
Never been done for speeding, but have been caught on the bus lane about 3 times, a couple of them were on Sundays and I didn't realise they were 'any time' bus lanes... :mad: :(

An expensive mistake which I haven't made since (last summer)...
 
7 points a 3 and a 4 in 2 years :mad: all on my bike,
I have now broken the number plate of my bike, would prefer a fine for that instead. One year so far so good !! :D
 
Mr_Nice said:
I have now broken the number plate of my bike, would prefer a fine for that instead. One year so far so good !! :D

Watch it, a while back the courts here were dishing-out 6-month bans for even quite minor numberplate offences. For bikes of course, cars etc seemed to be immune from it! :rolleyes:
 
pogofish said:
Watch it, a while back the courts here were dishing-out 6-month bans for even quite minor numberplate offences. For bikes of course, cars etc seemed to be immune from it! :rolleyes:

Yeah cheers doode, but my bike got knocked over in a car park didn't it ;)
 
pogofish said:
Watch it, a while back the courts here were dishing-out 6-month bans for even quite minor numberplate offences. For bikes of course, cars etc seemed to be immune from it! :rolleyes:
Have you got the offence they were doing that under? I am not aware of registration mark offences being endorseable, let alone disqualifiable. It is a loophole which will undoubtedly be closed as cloning becomes ever more prevalent (alomng with ... er ... suddenly broken, accidentally obscured, very dirty, etc. plates :D )

Any everyone beware telling your "Just got knocked over ..." story - they may well have photos going back ages! It really isn't worth risking imprisonment for perverting the course of justice / perjury for...
 
detective-boy said:
Have you got the offence they were doing that under? I am not aware of registration mark offences being endorseable, let alone disqualifiable.

No idea. Most were still provisional holders, if that helps. Is it easier to ban them?
 
Im possitive i'm gonna lose my licence this week, i'm sure i got caught by about 8 speed cameras in London and 1 on the motorway when i was doing about 110mph.
 
Poot said:
Fuck me! Do you steer with your knees or something?!
In this place the cops are all over the joint blitzing certain holiday periods,xmas,new year,easter plus 3 long weekends before may.
At other times ya dont see them because in holiday periods it is double demerit points and double fine.The place i live is 20 kays to a major centre(supermarkets etc) and there is only one road there as i live right on the coast.The road is also used by workers of the Burrup Penisular.It is the biggest export tonnes ports in Australia.The turnoff is about 7 kays from my place.
 
pogofish said:
No idea. Most were still provisional holders, if that helps. Is it easier to ban them?
Not in relation to registration plate offences, but they may well have been committing offences in relation to their driving licences ... many of which are endorsable / disqualifiable. It sounds like they were actually endorsed / banned for other offences having originally come to notice and got pulled for registration plate matters.
 
Dougal said:
I often break the speed limit where I feel it is appropriate. I don't moan when I get caught though!


I'm totally in agreement. I dont complian about getting a ticket, The occasions that I have got knicked for speeding in my mind its a fair cop cos of all the times that I do it and get away with it.

But as pembrokestephen has written. Im not pissed off abotu getting knicked. Im pissed off about the way they did it. No signage indicating speed restriction. As they dont have to put repeater signs and the beginning of the road is miles away from where I joined it from a 50 limit. So no signage.

What looks like an unmarked van from the rear but signwritten from the front Which you cant see. Which proprtionally meets the minimum requirements for it not to be unmarked.

No speed camera signs

Straight piece of road

Open countryside which is classed as built up area because of technical specs thus making it 30 limit and no need for repeater signs.

So dont get me wrong Im not moaning bout the ticket. . .its fair enough.

I'm cheesed off at the low down dirty way that they are doing it which is purely for revenue raising and not about safety. If safety was an issue then perhaps a few signs would be better and would give the motorist at least the chance to abide by the speed limit. However thats not what they've done and if there are no signs and its all down to distance and height of lamposts. (that the technicallity the distance between them on the road exceeds the distance that makes its a built up area HOWEVER if the hieght of them is x amount etc this differentiaties them from being either Footway or Roadway lighting which in turn makes it technically a built up area or not )

Its a little bit naughty I think and preying a little bit on ignorance where people are somewhat unaware and just going with the flow.

Like I said fair enough for the ticket. I get away with it enough for it not to be a biggy. I just think the way they're doing it here fucking sucks and is sooo obviously not about safety but revenue raising which I do object too
 
i_hate_beckham said:
Im possitive i'm gonna lose my licence this week, i'm sure i got caught by about 8 speed cameras in London and 1 on the motorway when i was doing about 110mph.
You're a new driver, aren't you? IIRC, you only need 6 points to get banned if you've only held your licence for a short period, so I'd tread on that pedal very carefully...

And anything over 100mph is generally an automatic ban, in any case.

That said, you can make a lot of cameras flash before you end up with a ticket, but if you think you've gone past 8, I'd say the odds were against you.

((i_h_b's driving licence))

In any event - and speaking as someone who's done it himself - driving at 100+, even on a motorway, isn't a safe way to drive: at those speeds, it doesn't take very much to go wrong, or even just a momentary loss of concentration, for everything to go very pear-shaped indeed, even if there's nothing else on the road. And - at the risk of sounding patronising - I very much doubt whether someone with only a little driving experience could possibly be anything other than extremely dangerous at 110mph.

If you get away with it, i_h_b, I'd strongly recommend that you slow things down a LOT!
 
djbombscare said:
Im not pissed off abotu getting knicked. Im pissed off about the way they did it.
That is a truism about much of policing. When I was involved with the Community and Race Relations Training workshops in Lambeth most of the youths who came in for the interface sessions weren't worried particularly about being stop/searched ... they were complaining about HOW it was done and the attitude of the officers.

Unfortunately most people who complain don't differentiate between the two and just say e.g. "Speeding enforcement is bad", which means the authorities can just say "No it isn't" and ignore the actual point. More reasoned complainst like yours are, in my opinion, the only way of changing things. Over time it has worked to some extent with parking enforcement in London, lets' hope the speed camera partnerships learn ...
 
pembrokestephen said:
And - at the risk of sounding patronising - I very much doubt whether someone with only a little driving experience could possibly be anything other than extremely dangerous at 110mph.

I passed my test last November, and I'm scared of doing anything over 80 - my Ford Ka wobbles :eek: :D
 
detective-boy said:
That is a truism about much of policing. When I was involved with the Community and Race Relations Training workshops in Lambeth most of the youths who came in for the interface sessions weren't worried particularly about being stop/searched ... they were complaining about HOW it was done and the attitude of the officers.

Unfortunately most people who complain don't differentiate between the two and just say e.g. "Speeding enforcement is bad", which means the authorities can just say "No it isn't" and ignore the actual point. More reasoned complainst like yours are, in my opinion, the only way of changing things. Over time it has worked to some extent with parking enforcement in London, lets' hope the speed camera partnerships learn ...
I don't see that they will. They're not in the slightest bit dependent on public goodwill, which seems to me the only area where pressure can be applied to encourage them to learn, or even just to listen: the IAM issued a statement about a year ago saying that the nature of speeding enforcement in the UK was seriously damaging the relationship between the motorist and the police (which does rely, to some extent, on goodwill), but, until things get MUCH worse, by which time I'd say that the motorist/police relationship would be pretty much irreparable in the short term, I don't see much imperative for change.

I'd love to be wrong, but the way I see things, we have a cold-eyed bureaucracy whose sole raison d'etre is to raise money by catching people speeding, regardless of the broader issues, and without any kind of perceived need on their part to pay any attention to the broader issues: the only way I can see the situation changing would be for some legislative change to take place, and I haven't the first clue what kind of law you'd have to pass to, in effect, require the SCPs to stop enforcing the letter of the law in favour of something addressing its spirit, ie. something about enforcing safe driving rather than focusing entirely on speed.

I now believe that there is a very real danger that, in the same way as the prohibitionist attitude of the anti-drugs mob in the '80s succeeded in completely discrediting the anti-drug message, the behaviour of the SCPs is likely to do the same thing to the speeding message. We know that speed kills - it's pretty obvious - just as we know that "drugs are baaad, mm'kay?", but when the message is being hammered home and backed up with the rapaciousness that it is, more and more "reasonable" people will find themselves on the wrong side of the argument, and will begin to question these hitherto accepted "truths". Meanwhile, the roads aren't getting any safer. There's far too much room for improvement on road safety, but, after 15 years of increasingly automated enforcement, very little progress on casualties: someone needs to be asking the right questions. Questions like "if 'speed kills', and we've stopped all these people speeding with our cameras, then why are so many people still dying? Could it be that we're trying to fix the wrong problem?"

But I'm not hearing those questions, except in the dark corners of anti-speed-trap bulletin boards and IAM press releases, and that doesn't seem to be nearly enough.

We seemed to succeed in doing it with drink-driving, but perhaps that was easier, since it's a pretty unilaterally bad thing to do, whereas speeding isn't necessarily always inherently bad or dangerous. But I'd have thought that there were enough people being paid enough money to manage road safety (from the police, through the civil service, to our Beloved Leaders) that someone ought to be able to see the way through.
 
chio said:
I passed my test last November, and I'm scared of doing anything over 80 - my Ford Ka wobbles :eek: :D
It shouldn't, really. Might be worth making sure your wheels are balanced and that your tracking, etc., is OK.

Although the wobble might not happen until 80, it is perhaps a symptom of something not quite right with your car's setup, which might manifest itself unexpectedly in some lower-speed situation.
 
pembrokestephen said:
You're a new driver, aren't you? IIRC, you only need 6 points to get banned if you've only held your licence for a short period, so I'd tread on that pedal very carefully...

And anything over 100mph is generally an automatic ban, in any case.

That said, you can make a lot of cameras flash before you end up with a ticket, but if you think you've gone past 8, I'd say the odds were against you.

((i_h_b's driving licence))

In any event - and speaking as someone who's done it himself - driving at 100+, even on a motorway, isn't a safe way to drive: at those speeds, it doesn't take very much to go wrong, or even just a momentary loss of concentration, for everything to go very pear-shaped indeed, even if there's nothing else on the road. And - at the risk of sounding patronising - I very much doubt whether someone with only a little driving experience could possibly be anything other than extremely dangerous at 110mph.

If you get away with it, i_h_b, I'd strongly recommend that you slow things down a LOT!

8 might be an exeration but it seemed like a few, i was doing 110mph to see just how fast my little car would go. :o :o

Inside of London i was being pushed along by traffic, lots of beeping horns and stuff as i tried to keep to the speed limit and under as i didnt know where i was going.
 
pembrokestephen said:
It shouldn't, really. Might be worth making sure your wheels are balanced and that your tracking, etc., is OK.

Although the wobble might not happen until 80, it is perhaps a symptom of something not quite right with your car's setup, which might manifest itself unexpectedly in some lower-speed situation.


Its normally something stupid like one of the little weights coming off. Or another stupid thing that used to happen to me living in the countryside was build up of mud on the inside of the wheel throwing the balance off.
 
i_hate_beckham said:
Im possitive i'm gonna lose my licence this week, i'm sure i got caught by about 8 speed cameras in London and 1 on the motorway when i was doing about 110mph.

have you had your licence less than 2 years? don't new drivers have to retake their test if they get 6 points or more in the first 2 years of driving?
 
detective-boy said:
Have you got the offence they were doing that under? I am not aware of registration mark offences being endorseable, let alone disqualifiable. It is a loophole which will undoubtedly be closed as cloning becomes ever more prevalent (alomng with ... er ... suddenly broken, accidentally obscured, very dirty, etc. plates :D )

Any everyone beware telling your "Just got knocked over ..." story - they may well have photos going back ages! It really isn't worth risking imprisonment for perverting the course of justice / perjury for...

I had a new scooter once and intended to courier it. I got another numberplate with one didgit different from the true plate and affixed it.

I rode for a year and got flashed aplenty by the gatso's. In fact I set them off deliberately. I got loads of parking tickets too, they went in the bin. I finally got stopped by a bike cop (very well trained that lot) for riding a bit quick. He was puzzled at first as to why the details did not all match up. I had insurance and a legitimate licence etc. I just kept on mumbling I dunno why it's appears it's not in my name. Eventually he asked if the number plate had ever been replaced. I said yes it had as I broke it after a weeks riding. He then suggested the shop made an error in making up the new one! I got into no trouble at all.

It's a non endorseable offence just like a bus lane ticket. No points and maybe a £25 fine if you get caught.

I think the reference in an above post to big fines and points is more for number plates that have dodgy script or spacing rather than a wrong number.

It's harder to get a wrong numberplate now as the shop who makes them up are meant to get your log book before they do it. You can however get "show" plates for any bike you want from the back pages of fast bikes and the like.

It's very wrong to do it though and you shouldn't or something.:) ;)
 
i_hate_beckham said:
No letters yet maybe i'll get away with it. *prays*
Well, unless you've moved house and not notified them, you can expect something within 14 days. If you haven't heard by then, it's likely (note careful vagueness) that you're not going to.

But do take it easy: I'm sure your insurance is punitive enough as it is, without ending up with extra loadings for having points on your licence, not to mention the risk of actually losing it.
 
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