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Pete Doherty: the artist

People talk about his ‘potential’, but he’s almost 27, ffs!

It ain’t exactly young. And compare his *ahem* canon of work with real geniuses at a similar age; Hendrix or Jimbo or whoever…Johnny Borrell’s got ‘potential’, what is he? 22? That’s more like it. Doherty? Nah, he’s had long enough to deliver…
 
marshall said:
People talk about his ‘potential’, but he’s almost 27, ffs!

It ain’t exactly young. And compare his *ahem* canon of work with real geniuses at a similar age; Hendrix or Jimbo or whoever…Johnny Borrell’s got ‘potential’, what is he? 22? That’s more like it. Doherty? Nah, he’s had long enough to deliver…

I have smashed my Babyshambles and Libertines CDs as a result of becoming so anti Doherty from this thread.
 
marshall said:
People talk about his ‘potential’, but he’s almost 27, ffs!

It ain’t exactly young. And compare his *ahem* canon of work with real geniuses at a similar age; Hendrix or Jimbo or whoever…Johnny Borrell’s got ‘potential’, what is he? 22? That’s more like it. Doherty? Nah, he’s had long enough to deliver…
Yeah, Husker Du had released 7 albums, 2 of them doubles, by the time they were 27 years old and had broken up, despite having alcohol and heroin problems.
 
Hardly, if anything Doherty embodies the idea of the political economy of the sign...albeit in musical/cultural terms. He has embraced all the cliched trappings of rock stardom: drug addiction, erratic behaviour etc; the music industry can then sell him as authentic because they can point to other [dead] rockstars and claim that Doherty is "one of them" and by virtue of this fact, he is a genius or a god. This is a dubious lineage that has been largely constructed by the media and it is this lineage (or lack of it) that offers excellent marketing opportunities.

Cheesypoof derided his treatment at the hands of the tabloid press, but the tabloids have actually helped his career by perpetuating the myth of the dissolute rock star. The bad boy can then go on to shift shedloads of CDs, while moaning about the tabloid and how "they done him wrong". It's all good marketing.
 
rocketman said:
Yes.
Don't mean they are right.

Your awareness of your own fan-dom in this case either undermines your argument, or means your awareness is slowly switching-on.

He's just a poor addicted rich boy, that can't turn up at gigs and cannot remember his lyrics.

Remember the Wildhearts? Thye had similar problems, but guess what! They turned up for their gigs, played them well, delighted their fans...and could do it in any state.

Even that Williams character has a few "moments", so folk say. And he manages to perform.

Take a look at Shane McGowan, if you like. He's almost completely incoherent between songs, but when he sings he has the power of the Irish bards.

(A power Joe Strummer also had, a lamented and missed artist. I toured with a band supporting the Pogues on the tour Strummer stood in for Shane for, so got to meet Strummer then).

Doherty as an artist can't continue while his junkieness continues. He just isn't up to standard.

If you write for the music papers, then please stop saying how good he is, when he isn't at the moment, and stop focusing on/glorifying his addiction. It does him no favours. He needs help getting off the drugs if he is ever to be able to live up to the hype.

If you continue to do this hero-worship thing he'll never clean up, and you and writers like you will be complicit in his eventual death. You are killing what you love because it sells papers.

How does that feel?

And the fact Alan McGee is behind him basically explains why the music press have performed like such fawning puppies over Doherty.

Despite selling Creation, McGee remains a very powerful industry force in UK music.

Please don't be fooled though. Old school hype does not a great talent make.

Doherty will never be up to scratch now until he cleans his act up.


absolutely right. i remember watching danny wildheart throwing up whilst playing he was so ill but they weren't a stupid, selfish and unprofessional as to let people down that had spent time, money and effort in going to see them...Enjoy his music if you want but don't have the audacity to post up a thread on a discussion board, telling us we're wrong for not feeling the same...
 
Cheesypoof said:
The minute Alan McGee (who discovered Oasis) discovered Pete Doherty he handed him over to Mick Jones

I stopped reading here, when this Doherty fanboy/girl got their knickers in so much of a twist they got basic facts wrong. "Up The Bracket" (a passable album) was produced my Mick Jones, way before Doherty had met McGee.

And, as for Mick Jones being a great producer, well that's a joke. The production on "The Libertines" is the worst I have heard in many a year.

Doherty once had a bit of talent, and has turned himself into a living cliche.
 
This should have been a poll!

PD would have been more unpopular then Jamiroquai, which was quite an uneven poll for some unknown reason.
 
The decline of the British music press was as precipitous as it was unexpected. I can't think of another genre of anything, ever, that went from being so brilliant to being such utter crap so quickly. But then I suppose we're really only talking about one generation of brilliant writers, say Lester Bangs through Paul Morely, although it seemed like several generations at the time.
 
butchersapron said:
Esp when you gave up reading in the early-mid 80-s eh phil?

I did stop reading the music press then, yes. Know why? It was *crap* by then, that's why. Do you seriously dispute this?
 
butchersapron said:
Oh and it didn't show ten miles high! :D

Indeed i do. And on the basis of the next ten years writers, not those of the previous decade.

Who were the decent writers for the music press between 85 and 95? I'll give you Simon Reynolds.
 
phildwyer said:
Who were the decent writers for the music press between 85 and 95? I'll give you Simon Reynolds.
You can have
Andrew Mueller
Davuid Stubbs (blemished record)
Chris Roberts
Simon Price
The Stud Brothers
Dele Faedele
David Quantick
Stuart Maconie

Off the top of me head.
 
fishfingerer said:
Swells, Tommy Udo, David Quantick, David Stubbs.

Oh alright, there were a few. I do like Swells a lot, though I think you'll find that he started at the NME in 1981. Funnily enough, he's recently moved here to Philadelphia, and writes a good column for the local free paper. But still, your last hardly compares with the late 70's--early 80's lot.
 
Funnily enough, I prefer to listen to music than read the opinions of stuck up cunts about it.

Which is why I think Pete Docherty is an over-rated weedy little cunt, and so is his girlfriend.

Don't give up the smack, Pete, it's the only thing that gives you an edge.
 
pk said:
Funnily enough, I prefer to listen to music than read the opinions of stuck up cunts about it.

Which is why I think Pete Docherty is an over-rated weedy little cunt, and so is his girlfriend.

Don't give up the smack, Pete, it's the only thing that gives you an edge.

I agree wholeheartedly....
 
Ahh he is OK like a few tunes but in no way great. Fail to see what the hype is although love Dont Look back Into the Sun and Death On The Stairs :cool:
 
For the record, I really liked Up The Bracket, played it to death when I first got it. Death On The Stairs, Time For Heroes, Boys In The Band, Up The Bracket and The Good Old Days are great tunes. Radio America was pony though. Don't Look Back Into The Sun was quality. I even bought the Babyshambles sessions, basically 3 CDs of Pete in a hotel room having a bit of a singalong. When the second album came out, it wasn't like a new album as most of the tracks had been about for a couple of years in various forms. I was lucky enough to go to two gigs that Peter actually turned up for, The Libertines at Brixton Academy and Babyshambles at the Rhythm Factory. The Brixton gig was brilliant, the sheer energy of the band's performance blew me away. Sadly Peter has lost his way, and I have gone from being a fan to following his so-called career with amusement. For Lovers was a great tune, but nothing he has done since comes anywhere near. F*** Forever is as embarrassing as his tabloid exploits. How his army of young fans haven't lost patience with him by now is both bizarre and worrying. Mr Doherty, you had the world at your feet and you blew it. Big time. You're a joke.
 
i think the libertines first record is alright, 2nd is not brilliant...

i guess they got so hyped(pre the kate moss/petey relationship) cos they were a good lookin bunch who were somewhat literate and/or political in interviews...im guessing they showed a glimmer of personality so the jurnos jumped on them.there are lots of bands out there that have nothin at all to say for themselves...ie just "dullpeople/average in every way" ppl who happen to write songs and play em.

somethin is fishy with the person who started this thread..she desperately wants people on this forum to RESPECT pete d.why is it so important to her..?

after i read the interview in the link she provided, i admit i was suprised and felt he came across as pretty thoughtful/intelligent and knows whats goin on in the world.
seems sad he is just into getting "elegantly wasted" now...
 
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