Pete Doherty: the artist

[nino_savatte]

the fact that you can't see his talent is what stuns me. It is all there in his melodies - it screams out in front of you. Listen to his music - if you already have

what is wrong with you nino???? Honestly!!

Quel talent?

 

[rocketman]

You dont know who mick jones is? I rest my case.

As you have not told me about this, "Jones", you do not yet have a case.
You do have a dialogue.

Is Doherty really any good?
I like music, but remain unconvinced.
Please convince me if you can, it's not a knee-jerk reaction, we have seen him and even have some sounds.
But I just don't think he is truly "all that".

You know?

 

[fishfingerer]

You dont know who mick jones is? I rest my case.

I know who Mick Jones is but can't name anyone else he's produced.

 

[Cheesypoof]

I know who Mick Jones is but can't name anyone else he's produced.

okay. I believe that The Libertines were the first band to be produced by Mick Jones. If anyone is wondering (although I am aware that some of you do know so sorry if I patronise) Mick Jones was the mastermind of The Clash, the chap who wrote, played and produced all the Clash's music basically.

Classics too many to mention, but Rock the Kazbah, Should I stay or should I go, and London Calling, being examples.

The minute Alan McGee (who discovered Oasis) discovered Pete Doherty he handed him over to Mick Jones, saying look, the Libertines are potentially the best British rock n roll band since the Clash (who packed it in in 1983) - can u produce them?

Rocketman - get yourself a copy of Up The Bracket - the Libertines debut _ (NOT the second one where the cover shows the two exposing their tattoos) get the first album for starters - it will BLOW YOUR SOCKS OFF - if u are wondering what they sound like: it is really like early, early Beatles and scuzzy punk of the Clash. Just unbelievably brilliant songs and heart-wrencing Lennonesque ballads that are really, really melodious and catchy. THAT is why people bang on about them as much as they do xxxx

 

[nino_savatte]

Thanks for the lesson but I know who Mick Jones is and I was listening to the The Clash when you were a lewd thought in your daddy's heid.

Oh and to say that Mick Jones wrote, produced and arranged all The Clash's music does a disservice to Strummer and the rest.

 

[silentNate]

So the Libertines were produced by the same guy that did Big Audio Dynamite then

 

[Cheesypoof]

If you dont believe me and dont have time to run to your nearest virgin megastore and purchase a copy, read these reviews of The Libertines debut Up the Bracket:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/rockandalt/reviews/libertines_bracket.shtml

 

[nino_savatte]

If you dont believe me and dont have time to run to your nearest virgin megastore and purchase a copy, read these reviews of The Libertines debut Up the Bracket:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/rockandalt/reviews/libertines_bracket.shtml

Are you Doherty's PR or something?

 

[Sunspots]

okay. I believe that The Libertines were the first band to be produced by Mick Jones.

In the eighties, he produced albums for Theatre Of Hate, Ian Hunter (ex-Mott The Hoople singer) and Ellen Foley.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Are you Doherty's PR or something?

NO.

Are you STILL unconvinced despite some of the comments on the album in the link above. people from all over the world saying things like:

This is the best album I have ever heard.

It is as well, it changed my life forever and Pete Doherty is a genius musically.

GET THE FUCKING ALBUM NINA!!!! I mean, if it can';t touch you - what could???? Saying u dont like the libertines is like saying u dont like the beatles, it really is!

 

[tarannau]

Nah, he's just Doherty's most obsessed fan since that Carlish fella. Swallowed too many NMEs and all that.

Oh, he's alright, just another poncey middle-class kid with a reasonable bit of talent, overhyped and deified in the usual music press way in the lack of anything better.

 

[Sunspots]

Saying u dont like the libertines is like saying u dont like the beatles, it really is!

Well believe it or not, not everybody likes The Beatles...

Or The Libertines.

 

[nino_savatte]

NO.

Are you STILL unconvinced despite some of the comments on the album in the link above. people from all over the world saying things like:

This is the best album I have ever heard.

It is as well, it changed my life forever and Pete Doherty is a genius musically.

GET THE FUCKING ALBUM NINA!!!! I mean, if it can';t touch you - what could???? Saying u dont like the libertines is like saying u dont like the beatles, it really is!

Look, if I don't like Doherty or The Libertines that is a matter of personal choice and taste. There is nothing you can say that will convince me to buy their derivative rock music.

A lot of people liked Morecambe and Wise but I couldn't stand them. Am I in the wrong? No, I am not.

Adorno would love you.

 

[The Groke]

Cheesy, you have a real gift here.

To be able to get yourself so worked up, to wax so lyrical over music so uninspiring, so insubstantial as to be barely there at all is.......ZZzzzzzz......ZZZzzzzzzzz

*bump*


ow!

Sorry - see I dozed off there for a second just thinking about the man.

The body of work that PD (and the libertines) have produced is not bad as such, but it commits the far worse crime of being absolutely "inoffensive" and unremarkable in every way.

As for the man himself? A tedious pretentious wanker with delusions of grandeur who, sickeningly, will actually be surprised when his little bubble of fame bursts and the public (and his remaining friends) turn their back on him.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Cheesy, you have a real gift here.

To be able to get yourself so worked up, to wax so lyrical over music so uninspiring, so insubstantial as to be barely there at all is.......ZZzzzzzz......ZZZzzzzzzzz

*bump*


ow!

Sorry - see I dozed off there for a second just thinking about the man.

The body of work that PD (and the libertines) have produced is not bad as such, but it commits the far worse crime of being absolutely "inoffensive" and unremarkable in every way.

As for the man himself? A tedious pretentious wanker with delusions of grandeur who, sickeningly, will actually be surprised when his little bubble of fame bursts and the public (and his remaining friends) turn their back on him.

That must be a joke.

 

[Relahni]

Pete Doherty - Sid Vicious wannabe.

 

[nino_savatte]

Pete Doherty - Sid Vicious wannabe.

True dat.

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

He's had his moments. Whereas 'Don't Look Back Into The Sun' was, I felt, a work of shambling indie punk genius in the lineage of The Primitives' 'Crash' and The Only Ones' 'Another Girl Another Planet', everything I've so far cocked an eager ear to by Babyshambles is dog's rod, dog's rod, dog's rod. Even though I cannot fault a title as inspired as 'Killamangiro', it would really piss me off if Doherty had come upon such Bros-level, NME-sponsored adulation merely by way of inept peeyyapppp such as 'Fuck Forever'.

 

[The Groke]

That must be a joke.

*bangs*

*head*

*repeatedly*

*against*

*desk*

*HARD*

*staunches bloodflow*


I guess I could make the same accusation at your original post but....meh......fuckit.....

*sigh*

Yes Cheesy, it was all a big joke. For the record, I think that Pete Docherty is an artistic god, a true renaissance man and I thank my lucky stars each and every day that I am alive at this period in time so that I can bathe in his magnificent glory.

 

[Cheesypoof]

*bangs*

*head*

*repeatedly*

*against*

*desk*

*HARD*

*staunches bloodflow*


I guess I could make the same accusation at your original post but....meh......fuckit.....

*sigh*

Yes Cheesy, it was all a big joke. For the record, I think that Pete Docherty is an artistic god, a true renaissance man and I thank my lucky stars each and every day that I am alive at this period in time so that I can bathe in his magnificent glory.

Just for the record, someone accused me of being some little teenage NME reading faggot lapping up the homilies on Doherty. I am NOT. I'm a 27 year old female journo, and I write for 5 music mags too. My pure driver and motivation for listening to the Libertines in the first place was because of my love for The Clash. I have every single thing they have done, including all the mescaleros stuff Joe did R.I.P.

So I know what the fuck I am talking about, when I defend The Libertines. I ignore the pete doherty tabloid horrorshow and am only interested in the music. Lots of ye, seem to be missing the point here, spectacularly.

Up The Bracket is just like..an inspiration that is simply infused in me like a shimmering thunderbolt fronm which I have not yet recovered and I urge you NOT to comment on this unless u are fully aware of the repertoire of The Libertines music.

 

[The Groke]

little teenage NME reading faggot

So I know what the fuck I am talking about, when I defend The Libertines. I ignore the pete doherty tabloid horrorshow and am only interested in the music. Lots of ye, seem to be missing the point here, spectacularly.

Up The Bracket is just like..an inspiration that is simply infused in me like a shimmering thunderbolt fronm which I have not yet recovered and I urge you NOT to comment on this unless u are fully aware of the repertoire of The Libertines music.

And the point that you seem to be spectacularly missing is that everyone else's opinion is as valid (if not more, having read your poetry ) as yours.

You can't possibly tout "Libertines/PD Music is brilliant" as a bald fact. Your opinion sure, which is fine.

The general consensus of opinion on this board - which is a reasonable representation of a fairly discerning and intelligent cross-section of the "alternative" public - is that they are mediocre to shite.

Deal with it, move on.

 

[Cheesypoof]

And the point that you seem to be spectacularly missing is that everyone else's opinion is as valid (if not more, having read your poetry ) as yours.

You can't possibly tout "Libertines/PD Music is brilliant" as a bald fact. Your opinion sure, which is fine.

The general consensus of opinion on this board - which is a reasonable representation of a fairly discerning and intelligent cross-section of the "alternative" public - is that they are mediocre to shite.

Deal with it, move on.

I'm suspecting that you have heard neither of the albums then - yes?

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Just for the record, someone accused me of being some little teenage NME reading faggot lapping up the homilies on Doherty. I am NOT. I'm a 27 year old female journo, and I write for 5 music mags too. My pure driver and motivation for listening to the Libertines in the first place was because of my love for The Clash. I have every single thing they have done, including all the mescaleros stuff Joe did R.I.P.

So I know what the fuck I am talking about, when I defend The Libertines. I ignore the pete doherty tabloid horrorshow and am only interested in the music. Lots of ye, seem to be missing the point here, spectacularly.

Up The Bracket is just like..an inspiration that is simply infused in me like a shimmering thunderbolt fronm which I have not yet recovered and I urge you NOT to comment on this unless u are fully aware of the repertoire of The Libertines music.

You are Jolie Lash and I claim my fiver.

 

[The Groke]

I keep getting this nagging feeling that Cheesypoof is one of the most subtle and well-done trolls the boards has seen for a long time.

If not then.......well

 

[nino_savatte]

Just for the record, someone accused me of being some little teenage NME reading faggot lapping up the homilies on Doherty. I am NOT. I'm a 27 year old female journo, and I write for 5 music mags too. My pure driver and motivation for listening to the Libertines in the first place was because of my love for The Clash. I have every single thing they have done, including all the mescaleros stuff Joe did R.I.P.

So I know what the fuck I am talking about, when I defend The Libertines. I ignore the pete doherty tabloid horrorshow and am only interested in the music. Lots of ye, seem to be missing the point here, spectacularly.

Up The Bracket is just like..an inspiration that is simply infused in me like a shimmering thunderbolt fronm which I have not yet recovered and I urge you NOT to comment on this unless u are fully aware of the repertoire of The Libertines music.

Thanks for that. Simon Frith would refer to you as a "gatekeeper" for the industry. When I waggishly referred to you as "Doherty's PR" I was actually pretty close to the truth.

 

[silentNate]

In the eighties, he produced albums for Theatre Of Hate, Ian Hunter (ex-Mott The Hoople singer) and Ellen Foley.

Wow! I remember that Ian Hunter album being really good
I Cheesypoof is a journo can I ask if she's heard of Calculator [/shameless plug]

 

[Sunspots]

Up The Bracket is just like..an inspiration that is simply infused in me like a shimmering thunderbolt fronm which I have not yet recovered and I urge you NOT to comment on this unless u are fully aware of the repertoire of The Libertines music.

I'm happy for you. But you still don't seem to be able to accept that other people might already have listened to the music and still don't like it. It's called personal choice, and all your evangelising isn't going to change that.

Your posts on the subject have been mildy entertaining so far though, so feel free to keep up with the hyperbolics.

 

[The Groke]

I'm suspecting that you have heard neither of the albums then - yes?

I have had both of them - more of the first than the second - recommended and played at me repeatedly by friends.

I then, unconvinced but still trusting the recommendations, downloaded "Up The Bracket" and kept on my MP3 player for a bit.

My opinion stands: yawn

 

[dirtysanta]

Doherty is talentless cunt who makes better newspaper headlines than he does music, and hes a shit junkie to boot.

Fuck him. I hope his tour bus crashes.

 

[The Groke]

Fuck him. I hope his tour bus crashes.

Well yeah, presuming he actually gets his shit together enough to actually make it on to the bus and, y'know, go on tour like proper musicians do.