pete and carl meet up!

[Iam]

Work, dammit!!

 

[lights.out.london]

Every few years another hyped boy with a guitar and a substance problem comes along to satisfy the stirrings and urges and new sensations felt by nice, nice girls in their safe European homes...and then the hyped boy and his guitar are sent away, away but the drug habit seems to stay.

It's all rather sad really. PD's music has always seemed to me to be pretty pedestrian. Nothing new to say. Just my tuppence worth.

 

[Julie]

I'm glad I have such a profound effect on people...

you really DO care man... aaw

I thought you were in rehab - again

 

[keybored]

I'd move table if a smackhead sat down next to me. Or throw his skanky, self-loathing dirty arse out the door.

'Cos they're all evil, vile, hell-bent nasty bastards aren't they, them hard drug addicts? Scum of the earth, right? I applaud you.

 

[futha]

round em up and shoot em eh? only way to deal with that kind of scum innit?
simple
jeez

 

[lau1981]

Lightsoutlondon - WTF???

How fucking ignorant are you?

Twat. I'm a smackhead, recovering, although you probably don't believe in that do you?

Grow up. People have problems, sometimes they need help getting through/over them.

 

[Julie]

Hey Lozzles,

How are you?

As for Lightsout, I'd say that's a fairly accurate depiction.

 

[lights.out.london]

Lightsoutlondon - WTF???

How fucking ignorant are you?

Twat. I'm a smackhead, recovering, although you probably don't believe in that do you?

Grow up. People have problems, sometimes they need help getting through/over them.

Righty-ho. Another addict trying to bat something off onto a.n.other.

It's the addict, in recovery or still active that has to grow-up. Addiction? The disease of self-will run riot. I think you might find something about immaturity and ego in your "Big Book" - AA or NA, it'll be there.

Before you shout the odds at someone who has written that they wouldn't want to be around an active smack addict, maybe check out your response with your sponsor before you post it. Anger and resentment are two of the biggest threats to recovery.

Besides, before you posted that, you might like to have read my post in another thread on alcohol and alcoholism.

I wish you well in your recovery, one day at a time.

 

[keybored]

Righty-ho. Another addict trying to bat something off onto a.n.other.

It's the addict, in recovery or still active that has to grow-up. Addiction? The disease of self-will run riot. I think you might find something about immaturity and ego in your "Big Book" - AA or NA, it'll be there.

Before you shout the odds at someone who has written that they wouldn't want to be around an active smack addict, maybe check out your response with your sponsor before you post it. Anger and resentment are two of the biggest threats to recovery.

Besides, before you posted that, you might like to have read my post in another thread on alcohol and alcoholism.

I wish you well in your recovery, one day at a time.

Yeah, that's nice. But you summed it up previously; thus:

I'd move table if a smackhead sat down next to me. Or throw his skanky, self-loathing dirty arse out the door.

Why? Would it matter if he/she were HIV+ or not? And if they were; would it really matter to you if they were still drug addicts? Would you move table just incase you might catch heroin addiction? Do tell, because I want to know what experience you have of addicts that would push you to be so harsh.

 

[Julie]

Exactly Rory. There's a spitefulness to those posts that are beyond comprehension.

 

[lights.out.london]

Yeah, that's nice. But you summed it up previously; thus:


Why? Would it matter if he/she were HIV+ or not? And if they were; would it really matter to you if they were still drug addicts? Would you move table just incase you might catch heroin addiction? Do tell, because I want to know what experience you have of addicts that would push you to be so harsh.

It's a personal choice not to sit next to someone in the grip of addiction.

You can try and twist it, "you might catch...". but, I mean, perleaze...

Is addiction nature? Nurture? Something at the level of the DNA helix? Who knows? But I'm pretty certain I'm not going to catch it!

It's just the same as if I'm on a tube or a bus or in a bar and a drunk gets on or crashes my space. I may ask them to move, or I may move myself. Easy-peasy.

The HIV thing is a red herring. Not all smackheads have HIV, not all people with HIV are smackheads. I know enough people whose lives have been affected by HIV. I lived through the pain and helplessness of watching someone slip away (this was the late 80s).

I find (active) addicts to be a waste of time and breath. I speak from personal experience. All respect to a trying man (or woman) who is working on their 'issue' and trying to stay clean or stay sober. Otherwise, I stand by my original statement. I don't particularly want to be around people who are unable to live life on life's terms without a chemical crutch/cosh.

Is it harsh to call an addict a coward? Immature? A liar? Possibly a liar, a thief and a cheat? I don't think so. It's the nature of the illness, the nature of the disease, and how those personaility traits manifest themselves in overt and public behaviour.

So: I ask you - you want hang-out with immature cowards who lie to themselves and others and can't live without a little baggy of powder? You do want to hang out with people like that? Fine. That's okay...for you. Not for me.

Compassion for an addict starts when the addict asks for help and when the words turn to action. Not before. No hugs for saying you want to stop. Show me. Walk the walk. Be a man (woman). C'mon. Let's go. 24 hours.

Thank you for reading.

And remember kiddies - it's just one day at a time.

 

[lights.out.london]

Exactly Rory. There's a spitefulness to those posts that are beyond comprehension.

Your 'spitefulness' is another's reality.

What you've written in this thread, Julie, I feel for you. I really do.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=167288

Maybe we have different ways of dealing with addiction based on our own experience of self, others and society. Your way isn't necessarily my way.

Addicts are good at manipulating and those who love addicts are often good at making excuses for them. There comes a point where a line is drawn - I believe 12 Step programs say something like;

"disengage with love".

Maybe I'm not as patient or as fluffy.

Still think I'm harsh or spiteful?

**shrugs and walks away**

 

[Julie]

Still think I'm harsh or spiteful?

Yep.

But I don't know you so I'm possibly misjudging you.

 

[lights.out.london]

Yep.

But I don't know you so I'm possibly misjudging you.

That's okay Julie.

We do what we can to protect those we love and ourselves. In fact, very often, the friends/family/partners of the addict don't take care of themselves - it becomes one way traffic e.g. attention, care, money, shelter, patience etc,.

It's a tough and prickly problem. The solution ultimately lies with the addict taking responsibility for themselves and taking action.

Good luck to you. Hope things work out for you and yours.

 

[Julie]

Thanks

 

[sheothebudworths]

It's a personal choice not to sit next to someone in the grip of addiction.

You can try and twist it, "you might catch...". but, I mean, perleaze...

Is addiction nature? Nurture? Something at the level of the DNA helix? Who knows? But I'm pretty certain I'm not going to catch it!

It's just the same as if I'm on a tube or a bus or in a bar and a drunk gets on or crashes my space. I may ask them to move, or I may move myself. Easy-peasy.

The HIV thing is a red herring. Not all smackheads have HIV, not all people with HIV are smackheads. I know enough people whose lives have been affected by HIV. I lived through the pain and helplessness of watching someone slip away (this was the late 80s).

I find (active) addicts to be a waste of time and breath. I speak from personal experience. All respect to a trying man (or woman) who is working on their 'issue' and trying to stay clean or stay sober. Otherwise, I stand by my original statement. I don't particularly want to be around people who are unable to live life on life's terms without a chemical crutch/cosh.

Is it harsh to call an addict a coward? Immature? A liar? Possibly a liar, a thief and a cheat? I don't think so. It's the nature of the illness, the nature of the disease, and how those personaility traits manifest themselves in overt and public behaviour.

So: I ask you - you want hang-out with immature cowards who lie to themselves and others and can't live without a little baggy of powder? You do want to hang out with people like that? Fine. That's okay...for you. Not for me.

What d'you reckon about traffic wardens?