Persecution against Muslims continues
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You're "half-Scottish"? I think you're half-insane. 
tbaldwin said:
Why do people need to know a muslim in order to have views about various attributes of muslim culture?
Do you even know a muslim?
Erh yes my next door neighbour and my aunt is married to one.
Yeah..and some of my mates are black....
I see dead strawmen everywhere!
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
JoePolitix said:
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JoePolitix
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Good editorial in the Morning Star:
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index2.php/free/comment/selective_blindness
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index2.php/free/comment/selective_blindness
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
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taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
What hacks me off about the inquisition is that I dont feel I can partake in a genuine critique of Islam because of all the petty reactionary shits just jumping on a hate-bandwaggon.
The tide of fairly trivial stories is relentless, the people slagging off Islam and Muslims tend to generalise and not know what they are on about.
They say that muslims should "integrate" but what do the themselves do to build communities? Neary fuck all in most cases I expect.
There is no "debate". You can tell because of the amount of reactionary shits saying we need a "debate". The "debate" is just a load of ignorant fucks endlessly moaning because basically these muslims people look and sound a bit funny.
I would love to see progressive campaigns against halal killing and various bastardisations of the faith. I wouldnt dream of criticising islam very much right now, not because I am scared of being labelled non-PC but the precise opposite. My voice would just be part of the din of the inquisition.
The people closing down "debate" are those who relentlessly insist on putting Islam under the microscope THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME.
The amount of ministers queueing to be on the bandwaggon is testement to the fact that this is a lame duck government with fuck all in the pipeline worth talking about but desperate to take attention away from the mess of NHS privatisation and the biggest screw up in foreign policy in generations.
The tide of fairly trivial stories is relentless, the people slagging off Islam and Muslims tend to generalise and not know what they are on about.
They say that muslims should "integrate" but what do the themselves do to build communities? Neary fuck all in most cases I expect.
There is no "debate". You can tell because of the amount of reactionary shits saying we need a "debate". The "debate" is just a load of ignorant fucks endlessly moaning because basically these muslims people look and sound a bit funny.
I would love to see progressive campaigns against halal killing and various bastardisations of the faith. I wouldnt dream of criticising islam very much right now, not because I am scared of being labelled non-PC but the precise opposite. My voice would just be part of the din of the inquisition.
The people closing down "debate" are those who relentlessly insist on putting Islam under the microscope THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME.
The amount of ministers queueing to be on the bandwaggon is testement to the fact that this is a lame duck government with fuck all in the pipeline worth talking about but desperate to take attention away from the mess of NHS privatisation and the biggest screw up in foreign policy in generations.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Thats an interesting post. I agree with it in part but wouldn't go along with the point about not having a more intelligent debate now (because of the surrounding racist froth). The point that should be made though is that 'liberal multiculturalism' has itself stopped us having any kind of debate of this type for 20 years (or at least left it to ukip and the BNP). The kind of politics and allocation systems used in local government and elsewhere have simply said all groups have a valid identity and can scrabble for thier bit of the pie. Never any space to get under that and question whether that strategy actually achieves solidarity between communities or whether it is actually bringing people together to fight bigger enemies and common fights (capital, racism etc). Simply saying 'you've all got a valid identity - and maybe can have some cash' (and I'm not just talking about ethnicity here) has taken people further and further from the and kind of class politics or common struggles.taffboy gwyrdd said:
I do think that struggles around identity are important - but its what you do with those that counts. I'd say those things have fragmented by and blunted by liberal multiculturalism, to the point where they become defensive and sectarian. All moving further and further away from a positon where different experiences of oppression might be the basis for a united politics.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Well this from The Herald would suggest that the motive was in some way theological rather than "islamophobic".Fullyplumped said:
The father of six was at a loss yesterday as to the reason for the attack, as he was unable to understand what the man was saying as he was attacking him. The first time he came in, with the stone, he had demanded, in a Scottish accent: "Why are you told to throw this stone?"
This, Mr Shamsuddin suggested, may have been a reference to the custom during the Hajj in Mecca for pilgrims to throw a stone at a pillar representing the powers of the devil. On the previous occasion when the intruder called to confront the imam he had challenged him - again, not very coherently - about sufism, an ascetic and mystic aspect of Muslim culture with which Mr Shamsuddin is not involved.
This, Mr Shamsuddin suggested, may have been a reference to the custom during the Hajj in Mecca for pilgrims to throw a stone at a pillar representing the powers of the devil. On the previous occasion when the intruder called to confront the imam he had challenged him - again, not very coherently - about sufism, an ascetic and mystic aspect of Muslim culture with which Mr Shamsuddin is not involved.
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