Perfect Ska

[Idaho]

now, you're butting up against my absolute ignorance of such things. If you played me a tune i could tell you which it was, but in terms of analysing the beat - nope

I can just about identify a one-drop and a steppers beat, that's about it. They're all on the offbeat though

I don't really now the technicalities. I would need to make noises to discuss the difference.

 

[Dubversion]

geek

well not really, no, cos I couldn't make the distinction needed in a geek fashion.

I suspect you could though. Geek

 

[rocketman]

Would you say that the slower, more political ska-type stuff, the rocksteady stuff, could be exemplified by people like the Heptones, Gaylads, Dominoes, Aces, and some of the Wailers. I'm also confused where to place Ken Boothe in this pantheon.

 

[Dubversion]

Would you say that the slower, more political ska-type stuff, the rocksteady stuff, could be exemplified by people like the Heptones, Gaylads, Dominoes, Aces, and some of the Wailers. I'm also confused where to place Ken Boothe in this pantheon.

don't necessarily think the politics aspect factors in - Jamaican music has served as a comment on the news from calyso to dancehall, ska and rocksteady are just part of the same continuum.. the tempo is the key.

Ken Boothe straddles ska, rocksteady and reggae, as do a lot of singers from that period (Alton Ellis, for example). And the musicians involved - especially those from the Skatalites / Studio 1 (Jackie Mittoo, Tommy McCook and all those) do too

 

[Idaho]

How does Lovers Rock fit into all this?

 

[Dubversion]

How does Lovers Rock fit into all this?

entirely UK phenomenon, late 70s - mid 80s, an attempt by Dennis Bovell initially and then the likes of Neil Fraser (Mad Professor) to create an identity for UK reggae. IMO almost always vile, but hey..

 

[Treacle Toes]

entirely UK phenomenon, late 70s - mid 80s, an attempt by Dennis Bovell initially and then the likes of Neil Fraser (Mad Professor) to create an identity for UK reggae. IMO almost always vile, but hey..

How very dare you!
*slaps Dub in defence of people such as Janet Kay and Carole Thompson*

 

[dash_two]

Jimmy Cliff - King of Kings
Harry J Allstars - Liquidator
Toots & The Maytals - Never Grow Old

 

[nosos]

geek

hypocrite

 

[Dubversion]

Jimmy Cliff - King of Kings
Harry J Allstars - Liquidator
Toots & The Maytals - Never Grow Old

none of which are ska

 

[dash_two]

Says 'Ska' on the CD cover, so there

 

[Dubversion]

means nothing.. most ska compilations are full of non-ska tunes.

it pains me

 

[nosos]

geek

 

[sam/phallocrat]

hypocrite

cunt

 

[nosos]

you're the reason dave doesn't post in this forum

( @ dub)

 

[dash_two]

means nothing.. most ska compilations are full of non-ska tunes.

it pains me

I reckon Never Grow Old is ska. Too fast and too early to be rocksteady.

 

[Dubversion]

I reckon Never Grow Old is ska. Too fast and too early to be rocksteady.

haven't heard it in donkeys, so i might give you that one

 

[rocketman]

OK, so now I'm favouring a non-purist ska, sak-influenced or ska derivative list, as that seems to me an effective way to measure the importance of the genre. So, revising the question:
Perfect Ska, Ska revival, rocksteady, ska-punk, modern ska derivative list. What's on it?

 

[Rollem]

just plain ska

get up edina - desmond dekker, makes me dance

pheonix city - Roland Alphonso, same

him say you say - Sneer Towners , just like it

baby i love you- Carl Dawkins, nice

wheni call your name - Stranger & Patsy, makes me sing very loudly

and loads of others too

have to say, i am not convinced that the specials are ska, but hey ho,. i dont like to get into geeky arguements

 

[Pieface]

If you can hear that chookachookachooka noise in the background then its ska

 

[Rollem]

whats the noise again, pieeye?

 

[Pieface]

chookachookachooka

say it fast

it's ska

 

[The_Reverend_M]

ska-punk classic:

mighty mighty bosstones - the impression that i get

 

[Dubversion]

ska-punk classic:

mighty mighty bosstones - the impression that i get

one of the few ska-punk tunes that doesn't make me drown kittens.

also - NoFX - We Don't Play Ska Any More.

obviously this comp needs at least 5 Slackers tunes.

 

[Andy the Don]

Camper van Beethovan - Skinhead Moonstomp..

Wait a second... who did the original..??

Found it... Symarip

 

[ringo]

Prince Buster - Gun The Man Down (Blue Beat)
Wailers - Simmer Down (Island)

 

[Dubversion]

Camper van Beethovan - Skinhead Moonstomp..

Wait a second... who did the original..??

Found it... Symarip

not ska

 

[Iam]

ska-punk classic:

mighty mighty bosstones - the impression that i get

Shame everything else they did is fucking shite.

Dub will probably disagree (and may well say it's not ska anyway?), but in the "ska"-punk ratings, Timebomb by Rancid wins for me, I reckon.

 

[The_Reverend_M]

Yeah, that was a classic at my local rock club too

 

[killer b]

not ska

nope, it's skinhead reggae... the clue is in the title.

i've no suggestions, i seem to be much more interested in roots these days. as usual i'd recommend putting some tokyo ska paradise orchestra on in though.