#PeoplesVote: Would you change your vote?

[Poot]

I voted remain and I am still sure that this was the right thing for me.

But if there were a second referendum, I would be furious. I can't guarantee I'd vote at all, I'd probably end up in the streets shouting the odds. You can't treat people like that. And I find it a bit hurtful that people think that remain voters are all the same because clearly we aren't. We are as differing as brexiters.

 

[OzT]

Democracy. It will be a profoundly undemocratic vote.

Cocktail stick in the eye of the giant.

Give European politics a kick up the arse.

Make Tony Blair and friends cry.

Stick a middle finger up to being blackmailed regarding 'The Economy'.


Majority of my friends and family will hate me for it probably, so bit reluctant there. And Im smart enough to know it'll be a mess whatever happens.

Just for that reason alone I'll vote Leave

 

[Yossarian]

If it was just a re-run of Remain-Leave I'd probably abstain again because I'd be against the vote being held in the first place, if it was a vote on a shitty smorgasbord of options including the current deal, I'd probably choose Remain.

Whichever way it went, I'd expect a second vote within 5 to 10 years, especially since a recession seems likely to happen during that time - if Remain won, the Leave voters might be angry and organised enough to vote in a government promising another referendum, on the grounds that remaining "failed to save the economy."

And if Leave won again, the Remainers would become Rejoiners on March 29 and keep pushing for another vote "now that we see what Brexit is like."

 

[treefrog]

I didn't vote in the last go-round (not even sure I could) because I don't want to vote in a country I have no intention of returning to, but if it came round again I'd consider voting remain (if I could). Would probably abstain again though.

 

[Yossarian]

I didn't vote in the last go-round (not even sure I could) because I don't want to vote in a country I have no intention of returning to, but if it came round again I'd consider voting remain (if I could). Would probably abstain again though.

You're allowed to vote in British elections for up to 15 years after moving overseas - the government was talking about scrapping the time limit last year but I don't think they did anything about it.

 

[treefrog]

You're allowed to vote in British elections for up to 15 years after moving overseas - the government was talking about scrapping the time limit last year but I don't think they did anything about it.

I almost registered for the last GE but couldn't remember the last address I was registered at so gave up. Tbh with the UK system, without a party vote it seems pointless in regular elections anyway!

 

[souljacker]

I voted remain first time round but might just abstain this time. I had very little faith in parliamentary politics before all this, now I have none at all. Referendums are fucking stupid at the best of times but if you aren't going to follow the result then it's pointless. Then there is the arrogance of the politicians, who all thought we'd never leave so didn't really bother trying to make a good case for remain until now. Then you have labour, who have basically shut the fuck up because they know how toxic the whole debate is especially considering Corbyn wants out.

Basically, fuck it all off, including parliament. Burn it to the ground and start the revolution.

 

[kabbes]

In this urban poll, about 1/8 (or say 10-15%) of remain have shifted to leave and about the same proportion of leave have shifted to remain. So as you were then, basically.

 

[Riklet]

In this urban poll, about 1/8 (or say 10-15%) of remain have shifted to leave and about the same proportion of leave have shifted to remain. So as you were then, basically.

people just werent well informed before

Im very uncertain a new referendum would yield the 55% remain vote lots seem to expect.

 

[Poot]

I voted remain first time round but might just abstain this time. I had very little faith in parliamentary politics before all this, now I have none at all. Referendums are fucking stupid at the best of times but if you aren't going to follow the result then it's pointless. Then there is the arrogance of the politicians, who all thought we'd never leave so didn't really bother trying to make a good case for remain until now. Then you have labour, who have basically shut the fuck up because they know how toxic the whole debate is especially considering Corbyn wants out.

Basically, fuck it all off, including parliament. Burn it to the ground and start the revolution.

I will join your bonfire party. I have a few effigies I'd like to burn. In fact I suspect that it's a party that we could all enjoy - remainers and brexiters alike - as we watch the flames lick up Boris Johnson's stupid fucking face.

 

[chilango]

My gut feeling is that there'd be a small shift from Leave to Remain. In its maybe, just maybe, enough to wipe out the Leave majority.

But I think there'd there'd also he other shifts that might negate that.

I think there'd be a small number of Remain voters who'd not repeat their votes because they don't agree with trying to overturn the the result of the first (I know a few people who've said this).

...and turnout? It could be up in protest. It could be down in disgust.

Who knows? I still suspect we'll end up with some sort of last minute Brexit in name only that pisses everybody off.

 

[maomao]

I will join your bonfire party. I have a few effigies I'd like to burn. In fact I suspect that it's a party that we could all enjoy - remainers and brexiters alike - as we watch the flames lick up Boris Johnson's stupid fucking face.

Why waste money on an effigy when it's public knowledge where the real one lives?

 

[gentlegreen]

We have a representative democracy, so there should never have been a referendum.
What this farce has done for me is show just how blindingly incompetent a lot of professional politicians are about the basic functioning of the country.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

abstain/abstain.

Communists are not fetishists of the democratic principle because they are anti-state, as opposed to reactionaries who are anti-democrats but who want to preserve all the institutional mechanisms of the democratic state.

That being said i'd vote leave if the lads over at Proletarian Democracy were in charge of the negotiations.

 

[OzT]

We have a representative democracy, so there should never have been a referendum.
What this farce has done for me is show just how blindingly incompetent a lot of professional politicians are about the basic functioning of the country.

Not necessarily true gentlegreen. Oz has much the same political system as the UK, a constitutional monarchy and representative democracy, but we held a referendum when it came to really big stuff like independance (which we voted No to) and cannot hold another one on the same subject for a generation.

 

[JuanTwoThree]

You could void referendums that don't reach a 67% vote of a 75% participation, in other words more than half of voters wanting or not wanting something than the people not wanting or wanting it. 67/100 x 75/100 = 50.25. And only when it's impossible to hold an election on the matter, which is how the people are traditionally given the impression that they are being consulted.

 

[maomao]

We have a representative democracy, so there should never have been a referendum.
What this farce has done for me is show just how blindingly incompetent a lot of professional politicians are about the basic functioning of the country.

Having a representative democracy doesn't rule out the possibility of referendums and it never has. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just nonsense. It was a badly planned and organised referendum but it wasn't the first one we've had, even on this subject.

 

[gentlegreen]

Having a representative democracy doesn't rule out the possibility of referendums and it never has. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just nonsense. It was a badly planned and organised referendum but it wasn't the first one we've had, even on this subject.

I wonder at what point a ten-yearly referendum would have ended / restarted capital punishment ?

 

[Pickman's model]

We have a representative democracy, so there should never have been a referendum.
What this farce has done for me is show just how blindingly incompetent a lot of professional politicians are about the basic functioning of the country.

I am surprised you never noticed their utter fuckwittery before

Did the millennium dome pass you by? Have you ever watched prime minister's questions? They're all out of their depth

 

[maomao]

I wonder at what point a ten-yearly referendum would have ended / restarted capital punishment ?

You get that referendums can be possible without being compulsory right?

 

[gentlegreen]

I am surprised you never noticed their utter fuckwittery before

Did the millennium dome pass you by? Have you ever watched prime minister's questions? They're all out of their depth

Yes, I suppose there is that - and illegal wars etc.
I had been lulled into a false sense of security assuming people were generally singing from the same songsheet these days.
It doesn't help that so many of my clients are talented academics, so I make gross assumptions about the level of competence of "professionals".

 

[chilango]

If I'm reading it right currently the Urban poll shows

Remain -9
Leave +3

 

[kabbes]

If I'm reading it right currently the Urban poll shows

Remain -9
Leave +3

Unrepresentative baseline though. You need to scale to actual results from the referendum.

 

[philosophical]

I have family members in Ballycasey, and also in Hamburg, and others who travel and work quite widely in Europe.
No way would I vote leave for those personal reasons, but also because I don't like nationalism, and don't want to ally myself to the main people who promote leave.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don't know why people keep saying this.

It’s a long standing liberal aphorism “you can’t trust the people to decide because the people are reactionary”. “That’s mob rule”.

But quite apart from being confused about the technical aspect (ie there’s no logical reason that a representative democracy can’t have referendums on some issues), it attaches the wrong causes to the wrong effects. People aren’t reactionary because they have a referendum.

Hanging is the example always given. But it is given without first asking the question: why might people feel they aren’t well served by the justice system?

This is the same question the liberal elite so much didn’t want to know the answer to over Brexit that they didn’t even think it would be given: why might people feel they aren’t well served by the E.U. or by the political elites arguing over the EU?

 

[cantsin]

Leave , with same level of enthusiasm ( if under Tories ) as last time, ie : v little / purely as least worst option

 

[skyscraper101]

Remain > Remain.

And I'd introduce the Euro, just to make things even more interesting.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I have family members in Ballycasey, and also in Hamburg, and others who travel and work quite widely in Europe.
No way would I vote leave for those personal reasons, but also because I don't like nationalism, and don't want to ally myself to the main people who promote leave.

So you'll ally yourself with technocratic antipolitical nationalism then? The liberal anti-political ttype, i mean.

nice nice multiracial multi-inclusive new deal is the future ain't it.

 

[Yossarian]

Remain > Remain.

And I'd introduce the Euro, just to make things even more interesting.

Maybe instead of Leave-Remain they should ask people to pick a level of EU involvement somewhere between 1 and 10, with 1 being a full no-deal Brexit, and 10 being direct rule from Brussels with the country divided into 26 zones to be administered by other EU nations.

 

[kebabking]

An interesting thing would be for those who would vote remain in a second referendum to discuss the EU's direction of travel, how happy they are with that and ask themselves at what point down the road of the EU's now pretty settled path they'd think that the EU might not be for them - that it would be worse than leaving?

Common - Eurozone focused, but EU wide - economic policy?

Common foreign policy?

Common defence infrastructure?

Common immigration policy?

Remaining in the EU isn't a standing still option, it's getting onto a moving walkway with a very definite direction of travel.

If people want to criticise 'what happens after Brexit', they should have the honesty and integrity to be public about what remaining will almost certainly entain...