Glazunov used to say that amateurs would make the best musicians - if only they could play.
i guess he was in the elitist classical tradition? i am talking about folk music.
People who bring accoustic guitars to house parties - are you one of them?
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i guess he was in the elitist classical tradition? i am talking about folk music.
onemonkey
winmonkey
my last few experiences of guitar gits have been very positive. one mate who is in a few covers bands and is a guitar teacher got us all doing live action karaoke in the wee small hours.. it was his house so i guess that's fair.
then over xmas my 12year old nephew brought his electric guitar round on boxing day.. he was fucking awesome.. could play everything ac/dc, jimi hendrix, john lee hooker, blur, beatles, iron maiden, practically anything we could suggest and he could play it. (anyone starting a band in sheffield should sign him up sharpish)
then over xmas my 12year old nephew brought his electric guitar round on boxing day.. he was fucking awesome.. could play everything ac/dc, jimi hendrix, john lee hooker, blur, beatles, iron maiden, practically anything we could suggest and he could play it. (anyone starting a band in sheffield should sign him up sharpish)
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I'm sorry, I must have missed the moment in time when music was 'taken' from 'the people'
I couldnt give a shit if you dont like what i play. Most of the time i will play in a seperate room, and most of the time its for my own amusement. If someone else likes it, good, if they dont its not the end of the world.
I always ask if people mind if i play guitar though, and most of my friends are honest enough for them to say no if they arent in the mood. Doesn't bother me though.
But to say this
is a tad harsh imo (if also containing a grain of correct lol)
I bring my guitar if i feel like it, and providing im not shitfaced, can normally make something up that is pretty good. But its all about time and place, if everyone is off their faces, then leave the banging drums on until people are a little more chilled
I always ask if people mind if i play guitar though, and most of my friends are honest enough for them to say no if they arent in the mood. Doesn't bother me though.
But to say this
El Jefe said:
is a tad harsh imo (if also containing a grain of correct lol)
I bring my guitar if i feel like it, and providing im not shitfaced, can normally make something up that is pretty good. But its all about time and place, if everyone is off their faces, then leave the banging drums on until people are a little more chilled
Kanda
Diving wanker
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sounds horrible
then over xmas my 12year old nephew brought his electric guitar round on boxing day.. he was fucking awesome.. could play everything ac/dc, jimi hendrix, john lee hooker, blur, beatles, iron maiden, practically anything we could suggest and he could play it. (anyone starting a band in sheffield should sign him up sharpish)
sounds precocious.
Yep, he was. He could play all sorts of things - there is a story in Shostakovich's autobiography that an orchestra he was conducting in one of his own works were giving him a lot of grief, and it ended up with one of the horn players claiming a particular note was impossible. Glazunov walked over, took the horn, 'took aim' for a moment and then played the 'impossible' note.
The orchestra did what they were told after that.
karaoke in a karaoke bar isn't the same as singing along at a party
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
This is EXACTLY what I was trying to say.
I'm sorry, I must have missed the moment in time when music was 'taken' from 'the people'
when it was packaged and sold, and the idea of the "professional" musician came about. before that it was a much more communal affair, ie households making their own entertainment on pianos etc... folk music. now people have the idea that if you're not getting paid to do it you have no right to. for evidence see this thread.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
she sounds shit.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
No, TV did for people playing tunes in their homes, just as it did for sitting around reading to each other/telling stories. This idea that music could be 'taken' given that all it takes to make music is a set of human voices is a load a bullshit.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
No. Commercially-distributed recorded music started it.
people are still physically capable of making music, obviously. what has changed is that now people see music as something to be consumed, fed/sold to them by corporations, made by "professionals". when it used to be something that was made, could be made by anyone, and shared face to face. now people are to afraid of being seen as "amateur" when as the great Adam Ant said "ridicule is nothing to be scared of".
people are bound to be shit because it is not now a natural thing to make your own music, so people are not practised in it. they are used to just consuming.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Nah, people are just lazy. Watch the opening auditions of stuff like X-Factor or Britain's Got Talent to see that your contention that pople are 'afraid' to be seen as 'amatuer' is pish.
Your whole premise fails because the professional musician has been around for centuries, as has the notion of passive consumption of music.
Your whole premise fails because the professional musician has been around for centuries, as has the notion of passive consumption of music.
people have been made lazy by being taught to be passive consumers.
the x-factor has nothing whatsoever to do with what i am talking about.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yes it does. The people who come in to audition for the X factor are the ones sining to their families, who are getting up karaoke nights and singing. Many of them also play instruments. Equally badly in some cases.
What you're talking about is some never-was golden age when everyone played an instrument before the evil record industry forced everyone to stop playing instruments badly themselves and offered the opportunity to listen to someone else play repeatedly.
What you're talking about is some never-was golden age when everyone played an instrument before the evil record industry forced everyone to stop playing instruments badly themselves and offered the opportunity to listen to someone else play repeatedly.
do you think they are doing it for the pure simple joy of making music together? or are they doing it to get on TV, to get famous, to get elevated to "professional" status?
what do you mean "never-was"? are you suggesting music didn't exist for most people before mass distribution of recorded music? and if it did, how else would it exist except for amateurs playing it to each other?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Both.
You've got the nostalgia blanket on. The concept that music was 'taken' is as much a joke as the idea that storytelling was 'taken'. These things cannot be 'taken' as they are not possesions, they are things people do. If people no longer do them that is their choice.
There's a specific term for this viewpoint tho, it's something along the lines of 'Myth of the Mass Amateur'.
so it is a myth, and you genuinely believed that before recorded music virtually noone had any access to music?
more than a grain of truth in thiskyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Did I say that? No. What I'm saying is that you're whole concept that music has been 'taken' from people is bollocks. Also, professional players who pull in audiences have been around far, far longer than the recording industry. Are you telling me that people wouldn't want to become travelling players 500 years ago?
People still play music and sing to each other in their homes, just because it's not the kind of thing you think it should be doesn't negate this.
People still play music and sing to each other in their homes, just because it's not the kind of thing you think it should be doesn't negate this.
