I note no-one has suggested non-attacking players as the greatest ever. Football is a team game and requires 11 experts in their field. The aim of the game is to score more goals than you concede so not conceding is of huge importance too. So are there any people willing to back Moore, Beckenbauer, Maldini, Banks, Zoff or Yashin?
Pele or Maradona?
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stavros said:
Maradona is a cheat and a waster, don't care how brilliant he might have been. Pele is a God ............. Gordon Banks is an absolute gent. Met him on several occasions and he is as modest a man as you care to meet ... THE greatest Goalkeeper ever ............. from someone who saw most of his career at Stoke City in the 70's [wipes tear from eye !] ... to think of some of the clowns that have filled his boots since in the England no.1 jersey
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aye, but he has a similiar build, a certain squatness over the ball - hes top heavy.fishfingerer said:
gaza was a bit like that too..
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stavros said:
Pat jennings?
Harold Hill
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gurrier said:
Actually it probably is a crap competition. A cup competition where a team can get knocked out not losing a game (England in 82 Ireland in 90) and where other sides never deserved to be in the final (germany in 82 and 04) but are thanks to sheer luck.
So anyone that doesn't kiss Diegos arse is bitter? Yawn. Ok so tell me how much you've seen of Pele to say he isn't the best. Or Garrincha. Or Best. Or Puskas. Or Di Stefano etc. Diego was easily the best player in the world for a time 'dude' but I've noticed those that shout the most about him tend to have thing for anti heroes.
It also happens to bring together all the best players in the world. Any player who can come out of the competition standing head and shoulders above the rest is something special, especially when he's on a mediocre side. If you don't like cup competitions, winning the scudetto twice (at that time easily the premiere league in europe) with a nowhere team is almost unbelievable.Harold Hill said:
Whose kissing his arse? and you are bitter, dude. What's with the anti-hero bit? Hero of the working class all over south america, one of the only soccer players to ever stand up to south american governments and open his mouth about poverty and corruption. He's adored in Chile for fucks sake - which is the equivalent of Germany's star player being immensely popular in England.Harold Hill said:
As soccer players go he's closer to a hero in my eyes, so where does the anti-hero bit come from if not bitterness?
Harold Hill
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gurrier said:
You've more or less just proved my point. The football establishment will always vote for Pele over the 2 as the former was a marketable and diplomatic and the other was a fat drug addict with a big mouth. In that context he is an anti hero. In flying to Cuba as a guest of Castro for drug rehab he is seen as an anti hero. It's no coincidence he is more popular among left leaning people. The same reason why he isn't for many in authority.
If I do get bitter about anything its when fans of maradona jump on the 'Oh you're bitter about the Hand of God' the second someone suggests someone else or suggests reasons why he isn't. Maybe they just have a different opinion. It is possible, lists like this are subjective after all due to a persons age or exposure.
My own opinion is that these polls don't really tell you anything. Who said Pele or Maradona are the best 2 players there has ever been?
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Yes.stavros said:
Unfortunately, neither went in the back of the net, and considering the position he got the ball in the first one it would have to go down as a bad miss! I doubt either were instinctive.peppery said:
Pele was trying not simply to score goals but the history book.
It should be noted that they played in very different circumstances. Pele never played club football in Europe so was untested at that level against Moore, Beckenbauer, Eusebio, Best, etc, whereas Maradona came, saw, failed at Barca and then won Serie A on his own at Napoli. Pele however maintained his career a lot longer, spanning 3 World Cups of excellence (and one of injury). He also demonstrated his ability to gell with players of the calibre of Gerson, Vava, Carlos Alberto and Garrincha, showing a team tenacity, whereas Maradona was allways the centrepoint of every team he played in. It is interesing to think about whether, given this things, they would have actually fitted together in a partnership, something we'll never know.
