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Peckham Levels: Pop Brixton team takes over Peckham's iconic multi-story car park

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
Shameful stuff really. Give the artists nowhere to work and you'll be left with just more palaces of consumption for the middle classes.
Palaces of consumption for the middle classes are what brings in the commissions for the likes of CTA and "The Collective" - that and constructing a myth of edginess around their sanitised, safe palaces.
 

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
800 affordable artists studios would have really been something.
It would. It would probably also have assured Peckham's predominance as the place for middle class wanna-be Bohemians to aim themselves at, focusing a wave of "creatives" on Peckham's housing. Most of the artists in the studios would probably need to commute in. :(
 

ska invita

back on the other side
It would. It would probably also have assured Peckham's predominance as the place for middle class wanna-be Bohemians to aim themselves at, focusing a wave of "creatives" on Peckham's housing. Most of the artists in the studios would probably need to commute in. :(
Worth remembering Camberwell and Goldsmiths art colleges are both within a mile of that car park... And LCC is up the road in Elephant... Long history of young artists moving around Peckham
 

Crispy

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I will wait to see the plans before passing comment. A scheme for artists studios was turned down in favour of a scheme that includes artists studios. We need to know what proportion of the various uses is planned.

By the by, car parks have very low headroom and very deep floor plates with limited natural light. I can't imagine a worse building type to convert into studios.

EDIT: I predict studios around the perimeter, with shared-use workshops etc in the middle. Retail/food/drink at ground and roof.
 
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hiraethified
I will wait to see the plans before passing comment. A scheme for artists studios was turned down in favour of a scheme that includes artists studios. We need to know what proportion of the various uses is planned.

By the by, car parks have very low headroom and very deep floor plates with limited natural light. I can't imagine a worse building type to convert into studios.
Artists often find themselves in less than ideal studios, but are generally grateful for any affordable space. Looks like that's going to be at a premium in the area, what with all the grazing and nibbling units that will be moving into Pop Consumerism II.
 

Crispy

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Artists often find themselves in less than ideal studios, but are generally grateful for any affordable space. Looks like that's going to be at a premium in the area, what with all the grazing and nibbling units that will be moving into Pop Consumerism II.
Do you have some information regarding the balance of uses in the proposed scheme?
 

editor

hiraethified
Do you have some information regarding the balance of uses in the proposed scheme?
The Guardian reported: "Southwark opts for rival proposal from Mayfair-based property developer that includes only 50 artists’ spaces in Peckham multistorey"

"Southwark council has rejected plans that would have transformed a multistorey car park in south London into 800 affordable artists’ studios."

"He and Barry were adamant that the community of Peckham would have benefited from their plans, which included paying Southwark council £200,000 a year in rent. Artists in residence would have had to pay just £100 in rent a month, and they claim the plans would have supported 2,500 local jobs – compared with the 600 generated by Pop Collective’s proposal."

And we all know what Pop and The Collective are about
 

Winot

I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Local authorities have no money. 60% cuts to budgets, and are limited in the money they are allowed to raise. Will be reduced soon to running statutory services only.

In that context it's understandable why Southwark might choose a scheme that brings in more money.
 

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
Yup. There have been artists in se15 for like forever. How artists can afford to live there now, I have no idea.
True, but it was always a bit more random - small clumps of studios down back-streets, or squatted warehouses and the like that Southwark Council didn't bother. Things started going tits-up for artists when Peckham started to see large-scale demolition and "regeneration" in the last 10-20 years, and a lot of (official and unofficial) community spaces were lost. Same as Brixton, really.
 

editor

hiraethified
Local authorities have no money. 60% cuts to budgets, and are limited in the money they are allowed to raise. Will be reduced soon to running statutory services only.

In that context it's understandable why Southwark might choose a scheme that brings in more money.
In an extremely short-sighted, community-stripping sense, yes. The amount of money Pop/Collective might provide to Southwark will be peanuts in the grand scheme of things anyway.
 

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
Local authorities have no money. 60% cuts to budgets, and are limited in the money they are allowed to raise. Will be reduced soon to running statutory services only.

In that context it's understandable why Southwark might choose a scheme that brings in more money.
Sadly, some local authorities are already pruning statutory services back as far as they think they can get away with. :(
 

ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
In an extremely short-sighted, community-stripping sense, yes. The amount of money Pop/Collective might provide to Southwark will be peanuts in the grand scheme of things anyway.
As I tried to explain on a visit to a Southwark estate on Monday, local authorities are (and don't really have any choice unless they have reserves) forced into short-term money-making agreements based on a need for "ready cash" to support the services they have to provide, so pay very little attention to the long-term social or financial benefits a deal might have. I explained Lambeth's viability exercises for their Cressingham project, and how much it could put in the coffers now, against how much it would cost Council Tax/Business Rate payers in the long (30-50 years) term. They were horrified that Lambeth might get away with that.
 

editor

hiraethified
As I tried to explain on a visit to a Southwark estate on Monday, local authorities are (and don't really have any choice unless they have reserves) forced into short-term money-making agreements based on a need for "ready cash" to support the services they have to provide, so pay very little attention to the long-term social or financial benefits a deal might have. I explained Lambeth's viability exercises for their Cressingham project, and how much it could put in the coffers now, against how much it would cost Council Tax/Business Rate payers in the long (30-50 years) term. They were horrified that Lambeth might get away with that.
Southwark council would have loads of cash if they hadn't been criminally incompetent over the handling of the sale of the Heygate Estate.
 

editor

hiraethified
Oh for FUCK'S SAKE.

the owners of Bussey Building, The CLF Art Cafe andRye Wax fear that a new scheme to create 11 luxury apartments and up to eight retail units at 133 Rye Lane – including adding two storeys to the building – will halt Peckham’s creative rise “dead in its tracks”.
 

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ViolentPanda

Hardly getting over it.
Southwark council would have loads of cash if they hadn't been criminally incompetent over the handling of the sale of the Heygate Estate.
Yep, a minimum of high end of 8 figures, lower end of 9 figures, apparently. Southwark either got played, or elements inside the council gave Lend Lease an easy ride, and exactly the same will happen in every local authority that runs a "demolish then rebuild" scheme.
 
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