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PE: how to help the geeks and crybabies

nonamenopackdrill said:
No gym mats but extra headed paper at this sports college. And a nice couple of signs.

And a climbing wall/ astroturf/ etc.

You sound dangerously like management noname :eek:
 
What is all this talk of PE?

Don't you just mean football, football or football training? With maybe a couple of weeks on the hockey field occasionally when the girls were getting something else & the groundsman wanted to mow the magic mushrooms off the pitch. Even by the time I worked in schools, they had merely expanded the PE curriculum to include football tactics & physio skills. :rolleyes:

Only one answer - Close the schools.
 
nonamenopackdrill said:
The bit in bold is utter generalising bollocks, and the last bit is exactly what you have had in every school I've taught in.
I'm aware that things are changing in that direction, and saying that teachers tend to be experts in just a few sports isn't a criticism, so much as as statement that you can't expect teachers in every school to be experts in a zillion different sports. But I imagine more specialist training in PE and related subjects is helping a good deal.
 
Orang Utan said:
Snap! You ARE me!


I did circuit training later on and enjoyed that cos I could do it on my own. Never been a team player.

I'm not bad at the old table tennis.....and that's about it.

:( :rolleyes: :D
 
EastEnder said:
What about table football? ;)

oh yeah...occasionally i win but it helps to be wasted.....

and I didn't have to cheat. If they had made card games a part of PE, I would have been a straight A student.....:rolleyes:
 
another suggestion: table tennis, could get a lot of foldable tables in a gym hall, it's fun and can give a good work out when you get motoring
 
ICB said:
another suggestion: table tennis, could get a lot of foldable tables in a gym hall, it's fun and can give a good work out when you get motoring

It's still reliant on the old hand/eye/ball co-ordination thing though :(

And we come back to the same problem - people who are good at sport find it absolutely inconceivable that anyone could be so very, very bad.
 
trashpony said:
It's still reliant on the old hand/eye/ball co-ordination thing though :(

And we come back to the same problem - people who are good at sport find it absolutely inconceivable that anyone could be so very, very bad.

That's a bit defeatist. We're talking about physical education after all. Most people are shit at at most things when they start out but they get better by learning and practicing. This thread is about helping make it more fun and accessible.

I hated sports at school cos it was often painful, many teachers were bullies and the really sporty kids were gits with all the power. However, I'm really glad I did so much (3 times a week) as I've now got good coordination and can pick up new sports pretty quickly, which is fun and stops me being a slob.
 
ICB said:
That's a bit defeatist. We're talking about physical education after all. Most people are shit at at most things when they start out but they get better by learning and practicing. This thread is about helping make it more fun and accessible.
You cannot teach manual dexterity and co-ordination - you either have it or you don't
 
Orang Utan said:
You cannot teach manual dexterity and co-ordination - you either have it or you don't

The first is true as matter of semantics, the second isn't as a matter of fact. You can improve dexterity and coordination (especially in children) by training, you can teach techniques and methods by which to train it.

Dexterity and coordination exercises can greatly benefit certain neurological conditions such as dyslexia and parkinsons.
 
ICB said:
That's a bit defeatist. We're talking about physical education after all. Most people are shit at at most things when they start out but they get better by learning and practicing. This thread is about helping make it more fun and accessible.

I hated sports at school cos it was often painful, many teachers were bullies and the really sporty kids were gits with all the power. However, I'm really glad I did so much (3 times a week) as I've now got good coordination and can pick up new sports pretty quickly, which is fun and stops me being a slob.

Most people aren't shit when they start out at table tennis. I am. I hated sport, I never got any better and it was only when I left school and stopped being forced to demonstrate how utterly incompetent I was at it that I enjoyed it.

So your experience is not the norm and I'm not being defeatist. Co-ordination may improve with practice but I practiced and practiced at tennis and I was still utterly rubbish. And I have never picked up a tennis racket since, nor will I. I'm emotionally scarred by the entire experience and I find your buck up c'mon attitude a bit patronising tbh. :(
 
Orang Utan said:
You cannot teach manual dexterity and co-ordination - you either have it or you don't
You can learn how to make up your shortcomings which make you uncoordinated though. Learning to overshoot left or right or whatever to make up for a dominant eye or arm, that sort of thing.

I still hate competitive sports though. Even pool is pushing it for me :)
 
trashpony said:
So your experience is not the norm and I'm not being defeatist.

I think my experience probably is a fairly common one (miserable experiece of it at school but appreciation of its worth) and that the majority of people can learn to enjoy some sort of sport and/or physical exercise. I also think that it's a shame to write kids off as not being able to participate and have fun even if they have really poor hand-eye coordination. I certainly wouldn't dream of doing that with our 7 year old who is known (affectionately) to one of his teachers as "the wibbly wobbly man" due to his general lack of coordination. I saw a lot of that dismissive approach when I was at school and I think it's a real pity. The more inclusive and original approaches that this thread calls for are surely desirable or at least worthy of consideration.

To say I'm evincing a "buck up c'mon attitude" is a bit simplistic really. :)
 
trashpony said:
Most people aren't shit when they start out at table tennis. I am. I hated sport, I never got any better and it was only when I left school and stopped being forced to demonstrate how utterly incompetent I was at it that I enjoyed it.

So your experience is not the norm and I'm not being defeatist. Co-ordination may improve with practice but I practiced and practiced at tennis and I was still utterly rubbish. And I have never picked up a tennis racket since, nor will I. I'm emotionally scarred by the entire experience and I find your buck up c'mon attitude a bit patronising tbh. :(
quite

when i was fifteen my sadistic bitch of a pe teacher made me stay on the netball courts over lunch until i scored a goal. one hour later, cold and miserable and starving, i still couldn't do the fucking thing. i was forced to play competative sports three times a week for seven years. i was no better when i started than when i finished. just more miserable.
 
ICB said:
I think my experience probably is a fairly common one (miserable experiece of it at school but appreciation of its worth) and that the majority of people can learn to enjoy some sort of sport and/or physical exercise. I also think that it's a shame to write kids off as not being able to participate and have fun even if they have really poor hand-eye coordination. I certainly wouldn't dream of doing that with our 7 year old who is known (affectionately) to one of his teachers as "the wibbly wobbly man" due to his general lack of coordination. I saw a lot of that dismissive approach when I was at school and I think it's a real pity. The more inclusive and original approaches that this thread calls for are surely desirable or at least worthy of consideration.

To say I'm evincing a "buck up c'mon attitude" is a bit simplistic really. :)

You clearly weren't as traumatised by it as I was. To go through 'I don't want her on my team, I had her last week' a couple of times a week didn't do my self-esteem a whole lot of good. Seriously - I'm so bad I stopped going to physio after an accident in my 20s because the exercises involved standing in a circle throwing a ball to one another and I kept dropping it.

Rather than suggesting yet another competitive hand/eye/ball co-ordination exercise, how about something that isn't competitive? Or that is still fun if you're rubbish? It's not fun if you keep hitting the ball off the end of the table you know. How about dancing? Aerobics? Step? Cycling? Or some other skill-based competitive physical activity that doesn't rely on your ability to judge where a ball is going? Obstacle races? Rolling competitions?

I think it's very telling that many of us as adults get our exercise through being members of gyms where we are not playing competitive sport. Which tells me that not that many people really enjoyed it
 
I spent about an hour or so attempting to make a successful tennis serve in front of a load of giggling kids - not a great experience.
 
trashpony said:
Obstacle races? Rolling competitions?
obstacle races would be cool - constantly changing, keeps my mind busy.

not sure what a rolling competition is, but at acting school we played lots of silly games like "grandmother's footsteps" etc. couple of hours of that makes you hot and sweaty and is fun - because you're laughing all the time and it feels nothing like PE.

there should be "playing nights" for grown ups. i'd go.
 
Orang Utan said:
I spent about an hour or so attempting to make a successful tennis serve in front of a load of giggling kids - not a great experience.
You should be a PE teacher. Nothing better for a kid's self esteem than being better than the teacher, and even those that aren't very good can take solace in that they're not a freak for not being able to do it :D
 
spanglechick said:
obstacle races would be cool - constantly changing, keeps my mind busy.

not sure what a rolling competition is, but at acting school we played lots of silly games like "grandmother's footsteps" etc. couple of hours of that makes you hot and sweaty and is fun - because you're laughing all the time and it feels nothing like PE.

there should be "playing nights" for grown ups. i'd go.

We had a bank at one end of the field at my school and we used to see who could roll down it the fastest and straightest when I was at school. At lunchtime obviously - was not considered a proper sporting activity.

I'd go to playing nights for grown ups too :)
 
trashpony said:
Or some other skill-based competitive physical activity that doesn't rely on your ability to judge where a ball is going? Obstacle races? Rolling competitions?

I can roll pretty quickly but I wouldn't class it as a physical activity as such.:p
 
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