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PCS conference: is there a thread?

I'll repeat the questions poster (in case you ae getting a case of 'poster stockholm syndrome')

dennisr said:
OK - time to pull you up and expose weather or not you are simply a liar. Which I strongly suspect you are.

What did you used to be involved in - what trade union(s)? What did you do? what actions and events were you involved in?

If you cannot adequately answer these questions will you promise to go away and limit yourself to depressing whoever it is who knows you in real life?
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denissr,

Like most peopll I'm not fool enough to post up personal details on the internet. Take it or leave it. Call me a liar if it makes you feel happy.
 
Any thoughts on this from anyone that was there?

> PCS conference was due to discuss a motion from an Identity and Passport
> Service branch to affiliate to the LRC. This in itself was pretty
> surprising since the Standing Orders Committee normally acts as a
> praetorian guard to weed out any motions the NEC doesn't like.
> It was third up in a 40 minute section, and even
> with fillibustering we normally always get through at least three and
> normally more motions in this time.
>
> We got (slowly) throughthe first two motions with the guillotine not
> having
> fallen. At that point (2.05pm) Janice called in two fraternal speakers
> from
> France, saying that we weren't moving on from the section - it was just
> that the guest speakers had a meeting at 4pm (!!?). When they finished
> speaking she moved on to the next section!
>
> I then got 15 or so branches to fill in forms to have it in the
> guillotined
> motions section, but the SOC ignored it and it didn't even make the 12
> they
> put into that section. Game set and match to the Socialist Party.
>
> All clever stuff and worthy of LP conference - except even there the
> opposition was allowed to win now and again.
 
durruti02 said:
scabs? no mate .. these are cynics not scabs .. that is a specific word that shoul dbe kept for specific situations ... it's use in this context just adds ammunition to those disillusioned cycnics who regard unions as thinking they are better than them .. instead of that actually unions are us and nothing more ..
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actually KBJ has openly admitted to being a scab, and he is trying to recruit people to a scab (in this instance) union. So the word is wholly appropriate

And poster is arguing exactly the same way as most scabs 'its not worth the effort'.

Cap fits, n all that....
 
poster342002 said:
It's just a shame that practically nobody "out there" does. :(
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Very true. What some of the TU posters on here fail to see is that there has been a culture change towards much more individualism and this has been reflected in workplaces.

Its going to be a long hard slog to build some form of useful solidarity in the majority of workplaces and TU members and officers should accept that.

It will mean doing things differently. It will mean having to accept that many people will just treat unions as insurance but these are positive things that can be built on.

To be quite frank the attitudes of quite a few TU posters on here would put many people off of TU's for life. If I was a young person and my first knowledge of TU issues had come from U75 and similar sources I'd never want anything to do with TU's. Negative experiences of TU's last a long time and couple that with the mass of negative media coverage of TU issues is a pretty poisonous cocktail. I had negative experiences of TU's both in the NUJ and PCS but I can still see that TU's have value but that is because I have a well rounded view of the subject. Others don't have a well rounded view and could quite easily be dissuaded from ever having anything to do with TU's.
 
sparklefish said:
We actually recruited members on the picket at our last strike and we pursuaded Royal Mail not to cross the picket. I felt that alone was worth the effort. :)
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Same with here, the RM van drivers refuse to cross ours and have done for 4 years. It's got to the stage that management try and pick stuff up at the sorting office, which is only about a half mile from our office. As a return gesture half of our BEC went to visit them on their picket lines last June when they were on strike. There was an attempt by hadens to claim intimidation of their staff when a PCS rep asked them not to cross. Given it was in our own time management at out office wanted nowt to do with it. But it was 'investigated'. A 'sympathetic' HEO informed us of what the management in the upstairs office were trying to 'pin' on one of us. :hmm:
 
I can hear you, kbj. You're a scab, and are arguing for further scabbing. It really is quite simple.
 
poster342002 said:
I'm actually one of the few people (and I mean very few) who do ALWAYS go on strike when there is one - because I do stick to my beliefs (beliefs that are held by precisely NOBODY else at work). However, there's no point in pretending this is any sort of victory when the vast majority are not taking part and never will.

I have given up picketing - as I got sick of watching the entire building prance into work as usual each time.
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fair play that goods .. and apologies but i wan't sure HOW cycnical you had become! :D i think you are perfectly correct to have a go at the cyncial dishonest triumphalism of a section of the left but it can seem sometimes if you are having a go at all of involved

but i still think you need a new job!

i still operate on the old (swp??) thing ' optimism of the will pessimism of the intelect' without that you would kill yourself! :D
 
belboid said:
actually KBJ has openly admitted to being a scab, and he is trying to recruit people to a scab (in this instance) union. So the word is wholly appropriate

And poster is arguing exactly the same way as most scabs 'its not worth the effort'.

Cap fits, n all that....
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what evidence do you have that the gmb are scab union here?
 
KeyboardJockey said:
tut tut. its a sign that you are losing the argument here that all you can do is go 'la la la can't hear you' which is in effect all you are doing when you shout 'scab' at people who know their own workplaces far far better than you do.
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All you do is repeat yourself ad nauseam, and ignore the fact that I know your workplace, apparently better than you do! :D
 
the fact that they are unrecognised, and are, therefore, unable to take strike action. They will be scabbing on any dispute - which is why kbj will get no help from the regional or national union to help him. Something he knows full well.
 
belboid said:
the fact that they are unrecognised, and are, therefore, unable to take strike action. They will be scabbing on any dispute - which is why kbj will get no help from the regional or national union to help him. Something he knows full well.
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If I make a personal decision to support a valid pcs strike then I'll take the lost days pay and support them.

Strike action isn't the be all and and all of TU matters.
 
ooo, you'll deign to decide if the Holy KBJ considers an action by his colleagues to be worthy of support, how jolly generous of you.
 
KeyboardJockey said:
If I make a personal decision to support a valid pcs strike then I'll take the lost days pay and support them.

Strike action isn't the be all and and all of TU matters.
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I agree. Strike action is a symptom of a failure to agree in negotiations. GMB are not able to part of any negotiations, including on possible job losses. As I keep telling you.

Let me put it in words of one syllable for you.

GMB WILL NOT HELP YOU POACH FROM PCS.

There - did you get that?
 
KeyboardJockey said:
Strike action isn't the be all and and all of TU matters.
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actually it is .. without that you have NO power .. without power you have no bargaining position .. in my knowledge the gmb have a far far worse reputation than the pcs .. they reguarly scab as a whole in the public sector and still operate poaching back handers for stewards .. they are in the dark ages compared to pcs re democracy .. i can see little reason to be in a unrecognized union except to not play a part in joint industrial action to protect conditions ..
 
durruti02 said:
er yes .. why the old bill and screws are on about it so much
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There's a deep irony that they're the groups which are most likely to see an upsurge in militancy over the coming years. Not only that, but their case is one of demanding new rights instead of a back-footed reargard attempt to cling on to what's being stripped away - which is the diet the rest of us have been on for the last 20 years or more.
 
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