Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Fucking Tory vermin, they are well shot of you.
PCS conference: is there a thread?
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Fucking Tory vermin, they are well shot of you.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
The only vermin we've seen round here are the senior managment and the PCS officers who seem to be addicted to the taste of management anus.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Blimey, this thread makes CPSA in the Marion Chambers era seem like a peacful environment.
You would be surprised at just how business like and fraternal the PCS conference is these days. The CPSA days seem like a distant bad memory. None of the points of order, name calling, closing conference etc Plus policies set at PCS conference are not ignored. Urban75 however, is something else entirely!
Nor is conference a jolly, as some have suggested. Yes there is evening partying/drinking especially on the last night, although expenses don't cover all that. But conference is 9 - 5 followed by fringe meetings and with fringe meetings through lunch as well.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
It was quite funny to watch/listen to the 2 SWPers who opposed affiliation. They both claimed "I didn't want to come up and oppose this motion"...... Well why did they then? Coupled with the utter vacuousness of their contribution it was quite a pathetic attempt frankly. Claims that Iran is a democracy from one of the two coupled with the other speech which made absolutely no reasoned argument, or frankly even haf an argument, why affiliation should be opposed, it was overwhelmingly carried.
I don't partciularly oppose this, but when they doing pretty much nothing for their members, I think PCS should be worrying more about the people who pay their fees than the people of Iran.
Our wokplace is defitnely the most militant workplace in our branch, almost 100% Union memebrship, almost 100% partcipation in strikes, yet we're feeling pretty much let down by the Union especially at the GEC level.
I think I will be cancelling my membership when I go back to work tomorrow, I've been dithering about it.
I can afford the fee, but it just seems like I'm paying £8 per month (or whatvere it is) for nothing.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
so you're no longer a member, just a 'customeer'. I hope you get sacked tomorrow, you'll see how fucking worthless your shop is then.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
so you're no longer a member, just a 'customeer'. I hope you get sacked tomorrow, you'll see how fucking worthless your shop is then.
I think the 6 people in a long established team who were let down by the weaselly antics of the PCS and got made redundant without any fight from the union consider the PCS worthless. If the biggest union in the civil service cannot stand by its members then why shouldn't we take our custom and our loyalty elsewhere. See you on the next GMB picket line if not the next PCS one . .
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Surely a better first step would be to speak to the reps at your place and tell them of your concerns?
The motion to affialite to HOPI was part of a very small section at PCS ADC, the overwhelming amount of time was spent debating the issues that directly affect PCS members past, present and future.
nightbreed
Im Bored
'Custom', 'Loyalty'.....its a union not a fuckin store card!! You really dont understand what a union is about do you
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Ideally a union should be members standing by each other and the union structure standing by its members. What we have seen is a union that doesn't stand by its members.
If a union as a whole doesn't do that I don't see what the problem is with workers dumping a piss poorly performing union and looking to join one that isn't piss poor.
My new union a rep actually phoned me back instead of me having to chase them with intermidable calls and emails like the old one did.
Like it or not the world has changed and people have got more used to being treated as customers. Unions need to rebuild and move into new areas and old style campaigns and mindsets are hindering this.
Keyboard in a fraternal manner - I would say come back to PCS. It is not all jollies and there are annual elections if you are pissed off with your representatives. Over 100,000 PCS members on strike on 24 April. PCS is fully supporting victimised reps like Eddie Fleming.
Emergency motion 1 passed at conference will mean a ballot of the whole membership (wow democracy). This could mean all PCS members involved in future national strikes.
By all means enjoy yourself in your new union. PCS remains an active fighting union - see u at the barricades.
Emergency motion 1 passed at conference will mean a ballot of the whole membership (wow democracy). This could mean all PCS members involved in future national strikes.
By all means enjoy yourself in your new union. PCS remains an active fighting union - see u at the barricades.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
yeah, cos your kind of no-strike agreement (which is what you have effectively signed up to by joining an unrecognised union, as you are well aware) and 'new style' campaigns worked really really well when they were tried before didn't they? They weren't in any way responsible for the unions becoming sidelined and irrelevant. And obviously PCS is shrinking now with its 'old fashioned' methods of fighting back. Oh, no it isn't, its one of the few unions going. they seem to be well rid of you.
Good luck selling other prospective customers magnificent insurance deals!
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
If PCS struck and the strike was something I agreed with and I could see colleauges striking as well then even though I'm not a PCS member I would probably support it. The problem is the pcs members in my place are becoming outnumbered by the number of people who are resigning from the union.
So you might just see me ona picket line yet.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
I'm starting to see a pattern emerging here:
Loads of fiery, militant "fighting talk" in public but loads of quietly falling over sideways to management in individual departments themselves - as local managements reduce numbers by ever-more draconian "intitiaitives" to make it easy to sack people for sick absence, performance (as defined by the bosses) etc.
Loads of fiery, militant "fighting talk" in public but loads of quietly falling over sideways to management in individual departments themselves - as local managements reduce numbers by ever-more draconian "intitiaitives" to make it easy to sack people for sick absence, performance (as defined by the bosses) etc.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Yup got it in one.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I think the 6 people in a long established team who were let down by the weaselly antics of the PCS and got made redundant without any fight from the union consider the PCS worthless. If the biggest union in the civil service cannot stand by its members then why shouldn't we take our custom and our loyalty elsewhere. See you on the next GMB picket line if not the next PCS one . .
This is not true. This poster appears to be a pathological liar.
No union member in your department was made redundant without actually wanting to be.
The only collective fight a union can take is industrial action, yet you say that you walked through the picket line last time they tried to fight in your department....
And, as I keep telling you, there will never be a GMB picket line at your workplace, as GMB are not a recognised/formal union there. I think you know that really, but keep pretending that you don't, so that you can claim that you would go on the picket line if a strike was called!
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Query "starting".
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Absolutely, a union is only as powerful as its members. Luckily, PCS no longer have to worry about you, as one of their members, undermining their collective action by crossing their picket lines! That's why you have seen a union not sticking by its members - because you were part of that union, and you chose not to stick by your colleagues.
You don't have a "union rep" in the GMB, because they are not organised in your workplace. The person you spoke to is probably a regional organiser or some such. The person from PCS who failed to speak to you previously was probably your local rep. who has been struggling really hard to defend their members' jobs, and who already knows that you are someone who ignores union instruction to take industrial action, and walks across picket lines. I don't suppose you were a priority for him to contact when he was fighting job losses!
I did, however, give you the name of your full time official, who I know would have been happy to explain to you what PCS was doing to defend its members, and to advise you on what you could and should do, but you chose not to contact him. Probably because you knew he would get in touch, and would let me know that he had, so you wouldn't be able to continue with your nonsense about PCS not responding to your messages.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Nope. Not what is happening.
The pattern you see emerging is keyboard jockey's obsessional telling of lies and fabrications about how little PCS are doing in his department, followed by contradictions when he admits that he crosses picket lines.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
You are wasting your time trying to get him back. It's clear that, even when there is a democratic vote for industrial action, he still crosses picket lines, so what is the point? I spent some time being patient and understanding towards him, but he is clearly anti union, and obsessed.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Excpet it's not only keyboardjockey that's said as much on this thread. The fact is that management is quitetly getting on with the "slash & burn" at local level through endless "initiaitives" (ironcially enforced by PCS members in the boss grades) that completely bypass the "strike! massive! loads of anger!" guff from the union.
This way all concerned can save face whilst the cuts roll on relentlessly.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
If all you can do is scream 'liar' to someone who has seen how pisspoor PCS has been in my particular workplace then it just shows the paucity of your arguments.
Its not just me who has walked its many of my colleauges.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Its one thing to obey a strike call when there is a reasonable chance of succeeding but when the strike is only supported by the union officers whats the point?
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Is she telling the truth then or not?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
For the millionth time, it's worth pointing out that just about NOBODY in his work area took part in the strike and just about EVERYBODY scabbed apart from the branch officials. That's indicative of something very wrong and indicates a total lack of TU conciousness in that perticular workplace. It's no good having ago at kbj: the problem was/is endemic and entrencend.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I don't scream liar, though, do I? I spent ages trying to help you, and you did nothing.
But you persist with the lies, and I know they are lies, and I can't simply leave them stated, because people who don't know you might not realise the truth.
PCS has been poor in your workplace because of you and your scabbing friends, mate! You were that union, remember?
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I'm not going to stoop to the level of calling another poster names at this point but what I will say is maybe she is considerably mistaken and misinformed as to the situation in my particular department.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Gosh, you really don't understand what you type, do you?
It was up to you to support that strike, and you didn't.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
But we're not talking just about the general situation in your department, are we? We're talking about specific things.
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