PAYG Oyster on rail by "end of summer 2009"?

[Santino]

Big Tfl blurb

Knock one out to this Oyster map of London - 'tis a beautiful thing!

There's a South London?!

 

[knatchbull]

Big Tfl blurb

Knock one out to this Oyster map of London - 'tis a beautiful thing!

Thanks for the link - it sheds some more light on the subject.

And its good in parts

If I have read the sample fare given in the pdf document correctly it looks like we will paying less on the first example given above (journey carried out entirely on the train line) but will still be paying more than just the tube fare for the train+tube option (but not as much as if buying train ticket+oyster fare)

 

[clicker]

I'm confused.....at the moment I can get a one day travel card, bus,train and tube and hop on and off all around London......if I was to use my Oystercard instead would I have to touch it on a reader at every station and bus etc....surely that'd work out more expensive....is it just cheaper for single, straightforward trips?

 

[mhwfc]

Good to see most of the mainline TOCs finally stopping dragging their feet on this, though this whole Oyster Extention Permit thing sounds a right dog's breakfast, still I'm sure the confusion will make up for the revenue on penalty fares they'll no longer make on people thinking Oyster Cards in areas which have the readers but have not officially had Oyster introduced yet

 

[se5]

I'm confused.....at the moment I can get a one day travel card, bus,train and tube and hop on and off all around London......if I was to use my Oystercard instead would I have to touch it on a reader at every station and bus etc....surely that'd work out more expensive....is it just cheaper for single, straightforward trips?

No there is a price cap that applies - so if you have a payg oyster you never pay more than if you had bought a day travelcard. So it charges you for say your first three or four journeys and then all journeys after that until 5am or so the next day are free

 

[skyscraper101]

I'm confused.....at the moment I can get a one day travel card, bus,train and tube and hop on and off all around London......if I was to use my Oystercard instead would I have to touch it on a reader at every station and bus etc....surely that'd work out more expensive....is it just cheaper for single, straightforward trips?

they're capped so you won't end up paying more than travelcard rates.

What i want to know is how do they factor in things like a young persons rail card where I can get a third off all rail fairs. Have they worked out how to load a YPR onto Oysters yet?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I'm confused.....at the moment I can get a one day travel card, bus,train and tube and hop on and off all around London......if I was to use my Oystercard instead would I have to touch it on a reader at every station and bus etc....surely that'd work out more expensive....is it just cheaper for single, straightforward trips?

At the moment, if you use Oyster Pay-as-you-Go to do lots of trips in one day by bus / tube / the bits of the rail network you can use Oyster on, then what you pay is 'capped' - at about the same price as a one-day travelcard (or one day bus pass if you only go by bus) - and yes you do have to touch the reader every time you board a bus, and every time you enter / leave a tube / DLR station.

I presume it will work in the same way once the other bits of the rail network get included, but some of the detail about January 2010 is still fuzzy.

Advantages are you don't have to make up your mind at the start of the day whether it's worth buying a one day travelcard, and it means you don't have to faff about buying it on the day.

Possible pitfall is the system knowing what's "off peak" - if you go to a railway ticket office at (say) 0925 in order to catch the 0932 train (assuming the "off peak" starts at 0930) the ticket clerk will, so long as there isn't a train due before the 0932, sell you an "off peak" ticket. I guess an Oyster reader isn't going to be as smart as that...

I assume you'll still be able to buy a paper One Day Travelcard, especially if you're coming from outside Greater London...

 

[jakejb79]

You can load a YPR on an Oyster card now. That being said when oyster becomes available on national rail when using your oyster you will not get the discount applied on single journeys. The same applies to holders of Network railcards no discounts either, I'm led to believe that from 2nd Jan 2010 off peak return fares are no longer being sold. I can see in a few years time big closures of national rail ticket offices because they wont be topping oyster cards and i 'm not sure if the machines will be able to top up cards, but i dont think so.

 

[softybabe]

I am excited about this....my local station is moving up in the world PAYG oyster....

 

[clicker]

aha...thanks all...I think I understand....it sounds ok then for me, and like you said easier than a one day travel card, as i am sure there have been loads of times when after having bought one, I end up walking everywhere once up town cos the weather is peachy.

 

[g force]

Wonder if the Oyster card reader on the ticket machine at Streatham might magically spring into life on Jan 2?

 

[Swearydad]

I use Oystercard on the buses but if I'm going to Paddington I pay £7.50 for a travelcard instead of saving 50p by using my Oystercard. Twice when staff have opened up the barriers on the mainline - and why they do this I do no know - I have touched out but it has failed to register. The Oystercard then treats it as an unfinished journey and ignores the £7 maximum off-peak fare. It just keeps on charging for every single journey made. There is the hassle of having to phone TfL and explain everything in order to get a refund, so now I just buy a travelcard..

 

[Oriole]

Hmm. I'm not sure whether the above blog - which is the only place on the interweb I can find any reference to these OEP things - is a true vision of what's going to happen in January, or if it's reporting a "this week's half-baked idea"

i sincerely hope the latter, as the idea seems to be balls of a fairly monumental nature

I suspect that TfL and the train operating companies are still arguing about it all...

edit - have just seen (on another forum) the following on the Evening Standard web site - obviously it comes with no guarantees of accuracy! - http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...e-and-buses-in-oyster-card-rail-revolution.do

London reconnection aren't the only one mentioning the OEP. Diamond Geezer links to a Lib Dem MP who says

The idea of this Oyster Extension Permit is frankly ludicrous.(...) I have raised this issue with the Mayor, TfL and the train company. Hopefully this absurd idea can be dropped.

 

[Crispy]

It's ok if you only ever PAYG, but combining a travelcard with PAYG is a recipe for beauracracy hell

 

[Oriole]

Only reason I can see for OEPs is to make extra revenue in penalty fares by making the system confusing.