equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
It may be they can't do anything unless they have a huge restructure to free up some money.
Pay review was insulting - any suggestions?
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You'd think so, wouldn't you?
It may be they can't do anything unless they have a huge restructure to free up some money.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
To be honest, I'm torn, really torn.
I don't want to abandon the new MD (who has enough problems to sort out with half the staff walking out) but equally I want a fair level of pay for the work I'm doing.
I think I'll be giving it another month whilst starting to look at my options...
I don't want to abandon the new MD (who has enough problems to sort out with half the staff walking out) but equally I want a fair level of pay for the work I'm doing.
I think I'll be giving it another month whilst starting to look at my options...
As yourself first the question what this person would do if he was you, in your current situation. It is nice to care about others, but not nice when that comes down to caring less about yourself.
salaam.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
He's asked me not to leave.
I think he would do what I have done with the job description analsyis and then he'd play a bit of hardball before leaving.
I reckon i'll do the same, but I want to have another job to go to, and being in a specialist job means there generally aren't that many around.
pah.
I think he would do what I have done with the job description analsyis and then he'd play a bit of hardball before leaving.
I reckon i'll do the same, but I want to have another job to go to, and being in a specialist job means there generally aren't that many around.
pah.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
There's nothing about at the moment
Bingo.
They've just essentially said to you "we don't value you all that highly".
The only answer is to find another job and give this one the finger, with a big smile on your face.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
turn up in camouflage gear wearing sunglasses
leave copies of your cv and appopiate trade mags with jobs highlighted
work to your job description sorry I don't get paid to do that thats not in my job description.
If feeling particularly evil "burst into tears claiming your too emotional to deal with the extra work "
leave copies of your cv and appopiate trade mags with jobs highlighted
work to your job description sorry I don't get paid to do that thats not in my job description.
If feeling particularly evil "burst into tears claiming your too emotional to deal with the extra work "
Forget about Unions etc, this is something you can handle on myour own. You must decide however if you are willing to leave and work elsewhere. If you are, then I would speak to the people who advised you of your bonus, tell them how hard you have worked and that you think you deserve more, and if they don't give it go away, find another job, and leave.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
EG, both I and my fiancée have been in your situation a number of times. The stark truth is the following:
1) You are very unlikely to get your salary changed in this review. It's too late -- budgets have been set and it is too much work to undo it for one person.
But...
2) If you make enough fuss, you stand an excellent chance of getting a much better review NEXT time. It sucks to have to wait a year, alright. But that's the best you'll probably do.
So...
3) Start putting out the feelers and going to interviews as soon as possible. It's good practice, it will help you understand your market worth and there is nothing to say that you have to take any job you are offered.
4) Make no secret of 3. It is a crucial part of making the fuss necessary for 2. The ONLY way to stop them taking the piss is to make them genuinely fearful that you are offski.
5) Be prepared to leave, but not desperate to leave. Keep an open mind.
Of course, this all rests on you actually being worth more to them than they are offering you. If you are not, then there is precious little you can do, really.
1) You are very unlikely to get your salary changed in this review. It's too late -- budgets have been set and it is too much work to undo it for one person.
But...
2) If you make enough fuss, you stand an excellent chance of getting a much better review NEXT time. It sucks to have to wait a year, alright. But that's the best you'll probably do.
So...
3) Start putting out the feelers and going to interviews as soon as possible. It's good practice, it will help you understand your market worth and there is nothing to say that you have to take any job you are offered.
4) Make no secret of 3. It is a crucial part of making the fuss necessary for 2. The ONLY way to stop them taking the piss is to make them genuinely fearful that you are offski.
5) Be prepared to leave, but not desperate to leave. Keep an open mind.
Of course, this all rests on you actually being worth more to them than they are offering you. If you are not, then there is precious little you can do, really.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Just to add: doing all the above on a regular basis has really helped maximise the salary for both me and my fiancée. In nine years, I'm onto my third company whilst she is still on her first, however, showing that you can genuinely take either route depending on how things go.
Tit
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
*bump*
-----UPDATE-----
I had a meeting with the MD yesterday, about my request for a review based on the amount of work I'm doing.
First of all, he told me off for writing an email to him and HR, and said I was 'dragging other people into it'. The email was copied to my temporary line manager and the MD's deputy (who said if there was anything he could do, then let him know). The MD said he'd told me not to do anything rash - I didn't, I wrote a considered request several days after the event (and I didn't tell them to stick their job up their arse) - and that the email didn't 'endear him to my situation'. He also told me he didn't bother reading my email as 'it was obviously asking for more money'. I pointed out, tactfully, that it made no mention of money, other than to refer to the salaries that the other positions are being advertised at.
He then told me I'm abrasive (no example), I need to adjust my attitude a bit (no example), my social skills are lacking (no example), I'm too accomodating and I need to say no more often, and perhaps I should 'run things through my head before saying them out loud.'
He acknowledges I'm overworked at the moment, and he's worried my health will suffer (I did not point out that attacking someone's personality when you barely know them really helps their stress levels), and he's trying to get someone to help me (yes, well, one of the jobs I'm covering has been open for 7 months, and they refuse to give it to the internal candidate at another office, who would be great at it, really helpful ).
BUT:
he also said he would give me a one-off payment in recognition of the extra work I've been doing, and he said I was a valued member of team who's contributing a huge amount.
Call me cynically, but it's hard to believe the positive stuff after such a negative start, and until it's written down in black and white, I not counting on anything.
-----UPDATE-----
I had a meeting with the MD yesterday, about my request for a review based on the amount of work I'm doing.
First of all, he told me off for writing an email to him and HR, and said I was 'dragging other people into it'. The email was copied to my temporary line manager and the MD's deputy (who said if there was anything he could do, then let him know). The MD said he'd told me not to do anything rash - I didn't, I wrote a considered request several days after the event (and I didn't tell them to stick their job up their arse) - and that the email didn't 'endear him to my situation'. He also told me he didn't bother reading my email as 'it was obviously asking for more money'. I pointed out, tactfully, that it made no mention of money, other than to refer to the salaries that the other positions are being advertised at.
He then told me I'm abrasive (no example), I need to adjust my attitude a bit (no example), my social skills are lacking (no example), I'm too accomodating and I need to say no more often, and perhaps I should 'run things through my head before saying them out loud.'
He acknowledges I'm overworked at the moment, and he's worried my health will suffer (I did not point out that attacking someone's personality when you barely know them really helps their stress levels
), and he's trying to get someone to help me (yes, well, one of the jobs I'm covering has been open for 7 months, and they refuse to give it to the internal candidate at another office, who would be great at it, really helpful ).BUT:
he also said he would give me a one-off payment in recognition of the extra work I've been doing, and he said I was a valued member of team who's contributing a huge amount.
Call me cynically, but it's hard to believe the positive stuff after such a negative start, and until it's written down in black and white, I not counting on anything.
Cribynkle
squawk
*bump*
-----UPDATE-----
I had a meeting with the MD yesterday, about my request for a review based on the amount of work I'm doing.
First of all, he told me off for writing an email to him and HR, and said I was 'dragging other people into it'. The email was copied to my temporary line manager and the MD's deputy (who said if there was anything he could do, then let him know). The MD said he'd told me not to do anything rash - I didn't, I wrote a considered request several days after the event (and I didn't tell them to stick their job up their arse) - and that the email didn't 'endear him to my situation'. He also told me he didn't bother reading my email as 'it was obviously asking for more money'. I pointed out, tactfully, that it made no mention of money, other than to refer to the salaries that the other positions are being advertised at.
He then told me I'm abrasive (no example), I need to adjust my attitude a bit (no example), my social skills are lacking (no example), I'm too accomodating and I need to say no more often, and perhaps I should 'run things through my head before saying them out loud.'
He acknowledges I'm overworked at the moment, and he's worried my health will suffer (I did not point out that attacking someone's personality when you barely know them really helps their stress levels
BUT:
he also said he would give me a one-off payment in recognition of the extra work I've been doing, and he said I was a valued member of team who's contributing a huge amount.
Call me cynically, but it's hard to believe the positive stuff after such a negative start, and until it's written down in black and white, I not counting on anything.
I hope you're not so concerned about not wanting to upset the new MD now?! I'm in my third week of a new job after getting exasperated with the crap pay at my old job. When I handed my notice in at my old place they tried to offer me a position two levels above my official level and told me I could have a 10% pay rise. I told them I wasn't interested as I'd be getting a 75% pay rise in my new job
The person they got in to replace me is paid twice what I was........but fair play to him - he deserves it!Even though there may not be a huge amount of jobs out there in your field, it's good for your psyche to keep looking so you know you've got choices and aren't completely trapped. And if a external position becomes available, you don't miss it. Good luck - hope it works out for you!
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Not really, no
I am considering my options seriously, nothing about so far, but early days
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Sound as though the MD and the organisation is being passive aggressive to me.
Treat you like shit, take you for granted, insult you. And then when you start to get a bit arsey about such disrespect and maltreatment then it's *your* behaviour that's questionable.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Not really, no
I am considering my options seriously, nothing about so far, but early days
That looks like the textbook reaction to somebody that they think they can bully but that they don't want to lose. If they really did think you were being abrasive and so on they wouldn't have offered you any money. But they think they can get you to be so thankful for this "one-off payment" - if it ever arrives - that you will knuckle under and not make a fuss, and certainly not actually ask for a raise
I would fuck them off to be honest. Start looking around now. That sort of attitude, they clearly don't give a shit and you will never get anything out of them. (You might want to wait for the payment before leaving
but maybe not, they may piss about for ages with it.) The other alternative is to make it clear that you do not accept this and expect an actual solution, but that may well simply be ignored and also cause issues in future.From what I know, which is just a subset admittedly, there is loads of work in your area.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Sounds to me like they knew they had to give in and give you something as they knew you had a bloody good point.
However, if they give in too easily you might want even more.
So instead they try and make you feel like you are lucky to be getting what you are and that you are in the wrong. Typical saving face bahaviour.
Personally ignore it and be smug that cause you stood up for yourself you are getting a payment you wouldn't have been getting otherwise.
However, if they give in too easily you might want even more.
So instead they try and make you feel like you are lucky to be getting what you are and that you are in the wrong. Typical saving face bahaviour.
Personally ignore it and be smug that cause you stood up for yourself you are getting a payment you wouldn't have been getting otherwise.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Cheers everybody, I really appreciate the support. Deep down I know it's not me, and the best bit is that the organisation will be extremely fucked over when I leave (oooh look, I said 'when', not 'if'), and that's a cracking karmic payback.
He also made a comment that 'he doesn't see my status as staying the same for ever', which may have been a reference to the fact that the knives are out for my current boss (currently on sick leave) and that he wants to promote me, but equally, it could imply that I'll get the sack if I keep on.
His management style is very 'do what I say, not do as I say' and there's a school of thought amongst some colleagues that he's laying down the law because of some slackness (and it easier to come in hard then slacken off, rather than take a softer approach and try and ramp up later).
I also found out today that he's breached one of our legal policies, so that'll be a nice chat for me to have with tomorrow
He also made a comment that 'he doesn't see my status as staying the same for ever', which may have been a reference to the fact that the knives are out for my current boss (currently on sick leave) and that he wants to promote me, but equally, it could imply that I'll get the sack if I keep on.
His management style is very 'do what I say, not do as I say' and there's a school of thought amongst some colleagues that he's laying down the law because of some slackness (and it easier to come in hard then slacken off, rather than take a softer approach and try and ramp up later).
I also found out today that he's breached one of our legal policies, so that'll be a nice chat for me to have with tomorrow
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
That looks like the textbook reaction to somebody that they think they can bully but that they don't want to lose. If they really did think you were being abrasive and so on they wouldn't have offered you any money. But they think they can get you to be so thankful for this "one-off payment" - if it ever arrives - that you will knuckle under and not make a fuss, and certainly not actually ask for a raise
I would fuck them off to be honest. Start looking around now. That sort of attitude, they clearly don't give a shit and you will never get anything out of them. (You might want to wait for the payment before leaving
From what I know, which is just a subset admittedly, there is loads of work in your area.
I agree with all that, it sounds like the MD handled this really badly. And if the top is rotten, that filters down, ime.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Exactly - but I'm waiting for that payment to be in black in white before getting excited about it.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
He was brought in to get rid of our middle management layer (one down so far), and his arrogance may be part of bringing them back into line/kicking them out of the door) but I'm having a few problems with his management techniques.
Sorry to hear all the shit that you've been dealing with EG, but glad that you've got some sort of result and resolution to it, although not to the full extent you deserve.
The MD is a bullying arse, his aggressive actions (personality assassination, accusations without giving any examples etc) are beneath contempt and show a real nasty bullying nature. He's read too many alpha-male management books.
People like this get "results" in the short term - but in the long term just put everyone's nose out of joint and the staff move on, in the meantime he's moved onto to some other poor fuckers.
Get your money, secure another position and leave your current employment.
Tell them to go and fucking swivel on your middle finger, swivel like a pig!
The MD is a bullying arse, his aggressive actions (personality assassination, accusations without giving any examples etc) are beneath contempt and show a real nasty bullying nature. He's read too many alpha-male management books.
People like this get "results" in the short term - but in the long term just put everyone's nose out of joint and the staff move on, in the meantime he's moved onto to some other poor fuckers.
Get your money, secure another position and leave your current employment.
Tell them to go and fucking swivel on your middle finger, swivel like a pig!
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I'm loving your work, sorearm, and thanks for support, really appreciated as I know you have a lot on your plate too.
If it wasn't for urban I swear I would go mad.
