Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
That's why you need a nice big bike chain to take out one of his lights or wing mirrors with.
Pavement cycling
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
DapperDonDamaja said:
Now you're talking.
hotvans said:
That's what I say when people shout at me. I know it's really rude, but I can't help it
I cycle very slowly if I ever have to go on the pavement (which is rare as believe it or not, I do prefer to use the road) and I always slow down/stop/give way to anyone on there so there is no need for anyone to shout at me.
But it's not equally dangerous is it? Do you honestly think that a car driver, protected inside the car, faces the same risk and extent of injury that a cyclist does? I wonder who you think would come out worse, and by how much, if hit by a car? A driver or a cyclist?weepiper said:
Yes, because bicycles are powered by a petrol engine, and they're just as big, fast, heavy and dangerous as motorcyclesPingu said:
Pingu
Credo
5T3R30TYP3 said:Yes, because bicycles are powered by a petrol engine, and they're just as big, fast, heavy and dangerous as motorcycles
but surely if traveling at the same speed there is no difference?
ok maybe not a goldwing but a small scooter for example?
see where its very similar?
btw if you live in italy ignore this post as most of the scooters i have seen in rome use the pavements anyhow
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
hotvans said:
Bikes crashing into pedestrians /= Cars crashing into cyclists. I can't believe anyone would seriously like to see cyclists forced to use only roads from the accidents this would inevitably cause.
From all experience I've had: personal and other people's accounts, the pedestrian-cyclist interface invariably leaves the cyclist worse off. This suggests to me that the cyclists who crashed into you are some kind of suicide-artist offshoot from the main movement who can't really be deemed representative of the whole.
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
Okay so some people do not feel safe on the road on a cycle & judging by how some motorist in thier steel boxes act it's hardly suprising.
To all pavement cyclists I just ask 2 things of you
1) Can you please use lights at night & reflective clothing - street lights are not enough to show you up if you are not lit & are all in black
2) On corners can you please get off & push your bike round it, no one can see round corners - we don't know you're there & you don't know we're there till it's too late.
Thanks
KoD
To all pavement cyclists I just ask 2 things of you
1) Can you please use lights at night & reflective clothing - street lights are not enough to show you up if you are not lit & are all in black
2) On corners can you please get off & push your bike round it, no one can see round corners - we don't know you're there & you don't know we're there till it's too late.
Thanks
KoD
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
tobyjug said:
Perhaps this is a good opportunity to remind motorists that pavements are for PEDESTRIANS and not for parking your motor, there are many damaged pavements in this country caused by unthinking and selfish motorists. Also the box (the advanced stop line) at the traffic lights, that has the wee bike painted in it, is for cyclists, not your 4 x 4 or white van. Cycle lanes (advisory or otherwise) are also for cyclists not for parking your shitty car.
Secure cycle parking facilities in this country are poor as is the general provision for cyclists.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I am a cyclist, but my experience of pavement cyclists as a pedestrian leads me to propose the following test. If you can hit the cyclist in the face with a punch and feel provoked to do so, then he's riding dangerously.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I am a cyclist and a pedestrian and I do get rather cross with idiots who think they can pull their car onto the pavement and park it there.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
A friend saw a cyclist with a laptop on the handlebars - he was watching porn on it.
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
nino_savatte said:
That's a whole different thread
KoD
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
KeeperofDragons said:That's a whole different thread
KoD
Perhaps but I was pointing out that it isn't just cyclists who misuse the pavement.
8ball
World is a fuck
I'm not a cyclist but kind of agree with the main thrust of this thread - I have mates who cycle to work in some really treacherous traffic and if I was them I'd use the pavement a lot more.
I have several mates who've lost people to articulated lorry drivers and suchlike - been lucky myself fortunately.
If there were better cycle paths I'd say the grumblers have a point - til then it's sometimes better to stay on the pavement and stay alive.
I have several mates who've lost people to articulated lorry drivers and suchlike - been lucky myself fortunately.
If there were better cycle paths I'd say the grumblers have a point - til then it's sometimes better to stay on the pavement and stay alive.
8ball
World is a fuck
What, the point that it's technically feasible for a pedestrian to be injured by a cyclist on the pavement (I believe the year-on-year death figures even out at a big fat zero), whereas cyclists regularly get mangled by cars and trucks?
Hang on, aren't you one of the gun nut troll brigade?
Hang on, aren't you one of the gun nut troll brigade?
shoddysolutions
back by dope demand
Orang Utan said:
Was he cracking one off at the same time? He deserves an award for enterprise ...
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
likesfish said:Unless we are argueing its wrong to cycle on an empty pavement because its against the law
Jumping in feet first as a bit of a newb on the forum - Um, yes. I'm not entitled to drive my car on a motorway at 110 mph just because there are no other cars around at the time.
My perspective:
I walk, on the pavement
I ride a bike, on the road
I drive a car, on the road
I've did a Sutton-Fulham commute for several years on a bicycle because it was the quickest and cheapest way to do the journey. I've was knocked off it once by a Fiesta driver in a hurry and he lost his licence in court for driving without due care and attention.
From a political perspective, riding on the pavement (where it's not marked for cyclists) and other breaches of the Highway Code, such as riding through red lights, actually contributes to reinforcing the attitude of motorists and legislators that cyclists don't belong on the road. Cyclists have as much right to be there as any other road user.
If you can't ride on the road, get off and push.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Sure but there must be a change in attitude towards cycling; and that has to start with creating proper cycle lanes and paths that cannot be used as alternative parking for motorists.
Abolish advisory cycle lanes now and replace them with proper cycle lanes!!!
Abolish advisory cycle lanes now and replace them with proper cycle lanes!!!
Cloud
Omar Commin!
People rarely shout at me for cycling on pavements but then again I don't live in London and the paths I use are empty so I can't see the problem.
I have to do this to take the kids out to the park as I don't drive a people carrier or 4X4 and can't get all the bikes on the rack. It's legal in Australia to cycle on a footpath if accompanying children. Do they really expect you to take your children on a public road? Look at the recent deaths of 4 cyclists including a 14 year old boy. I recently told a bloke to "fuck off" for muttering some crap about my son on his BMX.
I have to do this to take the kids out to the park as I don't drive a people carrier or 4X4 and can't get all the bikes on the rack. It's legal in Australia to cycle on a footpath if accompanying children. Do they really expect you to take your children on a public road? Look at the recent deaths of 4 cyclists including a 14 year old boy. I recently told a bloke to "fuck off" for muttering some crap about my son on his BMX.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
As a pedestrian I would say that walking in Central London is a far less relaxing pursuit than it used to be, say 20 years ago, as a result of the increase in cyclists going through red lights, going up a one way the wrong way etc. I like to walk around London looking at the architecture, people, trees etc - its a slower way of travelling but these are the benefits. It used to be the case that if the green man was showing you could cross without thinking, nowadays you have to look both ways (even if its a one way) in case a cyclist is coming through. It's just that much more of a tense experience in London now, as a pedestrian I am far more aware and on the alert than 20 years ago.
Cyclists on pavements I find equally irritating, but there is so much of it these days, that as long as they don't expect me to get out of their way, and they're not bombing along, then I ignore it now. I used to be more confrontational, but I can see to a certain extent why cyclists feel its their safer option with rush hour traffic - as long as they are aware that they haven't got a right to be on the pavement, and make allowances accordingly, then OK.
The sad part about all this is that, IMHO, cyclists and pedestrians should be natural allies (both non-polluting, both at risk from cars etc etc blah blah), but I think there is now animosity on all sides. Ho hum.
Cyclists on pavements I find equally irritating, but there is so much of it these days, that as long as they don't expect me to get out of their way, and they're not bombing along, then I ignore it now. I used to be more confrontational, but I can see to a certain extent why cyclists feel its their safer option with rush hour traffic - as long as they are aware that they haven't got a right to be on the pavement, and make allowances accordingly, then OK.
The sad part about all this is that, IMHO, cyclists and pedestrians should be natural allies (both non-polluting, both at risk from cars etc etc blah blah), but I think there is now animosity on all sides. Ho hum.
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