Passport needed to buy a mobile

[kyser_soze]

I was asked for ID to buy a kitchen knife at the weekend. I laughed and asked if I looked under 18 (I'm 46) and was told its 'company policy' - they need to see ID for all knife sales.

I said thank you very much but no thanks and bought a nicer knife without needing ID in sainsburys instead

Yoot based knife crime innit? If someone got stabbed with that knife with the price label on it identifying where it came from the store are potentially liable, by asking for ID they cover themselves. It's bollocks, but what does anyone expect?

This is a rubbish proposal from a practical POV, but TBH I'm really surprised there hasn't been some form of ID confirmation requirement for PAYG introduced before this.

 

[_angel_]

would this mean nobody would be allowed to buy a PAYG as a present or even pass on an old mobile phone to a friend without it being illegal??

 

[_angel_]

Yoot based knife crime innit? If someone got stabbed with that knife with the price label on it identifying where it came from the store are potentially liable, by asking for ID they cover themselves. It's bollocks, but what does anyone expect?

This is a rubbish proposal from a practical POV, but TBH I'm really surprised there hasn't been some form of ID confirmation requirement for PAYG introduced before this.

tbh you had to give an address when my phone was purchased, and, as I top up by debit card, they already have my bank details and address confirmed etc. I can't see how there won't be quite simple ways round this for people who want to commit crime. But it will stop someone like me having a (new)mobile phone - nice one.

 

[kyser_soze]

Who knows? I would imagine that when you register the phone and the details differ from the purchaser they'd ask then if it was a gift, or possibly this would be done when the phone is purchased?

 

[kyser_soze]

But it will stop someone like me having a (new)mobile phone - nice one.

How so? Bearing in mind that there are big commercial issues here, I can't see them retaining this as the 'only' way to get a mobile...

 

[jayeola]

But what if you are buying a phone for a friend whose name you cannot remember or just give as A.N Twat?

 

[kyser_soze]

A friend who's name you can't remember? Yeah, cos you blow £50+ on things for people who's names you can't remember...

 

[xes]

hehe,we're all fucking mugs

 

[jayeola]

A friend who's name you can't remember? Yeah, cos you blow £50+ on things for people who's names you can't remember...

It happens.. Honest. Name and face.. you know

 

[xes]

it does too,everytime I';ve been asked thename of the person I've just been to see,by the police. I forget.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I don't know, I just don't consider it the government's business if I want to buy a damn telephone.

 

[_angel_]

How so? Bearing in mind that there are big commercial issues here, I can't see them retaining this as the 'only' way to get a mobile...

I don't have a drivers license or a passport and don't think I should essentially have to pay whatever it is now in order to be 'allowed' a mobile phone.

 

[xes]

I don't know, I just don't consider it the government's business if I want to buy a damn telephone.

but it doesn't matter what you think.

 

[Fruitloop]

How many mobiles get stolen every year exactly?

 

[xes]

about 3

 

[FridgeMagnet]

but it doesn't matter what you think.

Not a lot, politically speaking, no.

 

[xes]

Not a lot, politically speaking, no.

well yes,but don't forget,it's for your own good,cos they said something about TERRORISTS =.

So it's all ok

can we has military police now k thnx bai?

 

[Zachor]

Its things like this that make me determined that my vote will go to whoever can unseat the n labour scum in my area as well. David Lamy is a decent enough MP but he he doesn't seem to have made much of a fuss over the scandalous reductions in ordinary personal freedoms that spew constantly from Nu Labour.

"Tory or Lib dem whoever stands the most chance" of unseating a new labour MP should be the battle cry of those who value freedom from surveillance and control.

 

[ethel]

i do think that all sim cards should have to be registered. unregistered sim cards, the bain of 999 operator's lives.

 

[poster342002]

Well why don't all football supporters use passports to buy footy tickets - just in case they may be rascist or start a fight. The gov't could have a massive hoolinet database to track all of the footy nutters.

We could all leave our passports at the counter when we go into a shop to prove that we are not shoplifters. Get your pp back when you finish buying your stuff.

You say that in jest, but it's the logical trajectory of where this shit is heading and it wouldn't suprose me at all if all this were to come about within 10 years.

 

[_angel_]

i do think that all sim cards should have to be registered. unregistered sim cards, the bain of 999 operator's lives.

Aren't they able to pinpoint mobile phones location anyway (how they got the phone calls and location of the would be glasgow bombers)??

 

[kyser_soze]

Aren't they able to pinpoint mobile phones location anyway (how they got the phone calls and location of the would be glasgow bombers)??

Yeah, you backtrace the location based on the 3 cellphone masts the phone broadcasts it's availability to the network. I think what sarahluv is referring to are the merry pranksters who use PAYG phones to call 999 with fake calls, which are then untraceable back to phone or location the call was made from.

 

[poster342002]

All just part of the plan to make everyone feel like they're under control and under surveillance in everything they do. Same reason 30 year olds now have to show ID to buy cigarettes...

Yes - we're rapidly being infantilised to the point where we increasingly find oursleves having to ask permission to do mundane things that were originally ours by right to do without asking.

 

[emanymton]

Its things like this that make me determined that my vote will go to whoever can unseat the n labour scum in my area as well. David Lamy is a decent enough MP but he he doesn't seem to have made much of a fuss over the scandalous reductions in ordinary personal freedoms that spew constantly from Nu Labour.

"Tory or Lib dem whoever stands the most chance" of unseating a new labour MP should be the battle cry of those who value freedom from surveillance and control.

Yep. cos the Torys wouldn't dream of doing something like this.

 

[chilango]

Well why don't all football supporters use passports to buy footy tickets - just in case they may be rascist or start a fight. The gov't could have a massive hoolinet database to track all of the footy nutters.

They already do this in Italy.

No hooligan problems here...

We could all leave our passports at the counter when we go into a shop to prove that we are not shoplifters. Get your pp back when you finish buying your stuff.

You tried buying something in an old fashioned european shop?

Choose your thing.

go to counter.

pay for thing.

get receipt.

go to different counter.

swap receipt for thing.
etc.

even for a coffee in a local cafe!


Whilst I'm glad to see that people are are angry at this infringment of privacy, its interesting to see that people regard the ability to buy a payg mobile as a "right" already.

Anyways...

 

[_angel_]

They already do this in Italy.

No hooligan problems here...





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Aren't they also fingerprinting all the Roma as well?

Why shouldn't buying a mobile phone be seen as a 'right', I'm confused, what else should we be prevented from buying legally?

 

[xes]

Aren't they also fingerprinting all the Roma as well?

Why shouldn't buying a mobile phone be seen as a 'right', I'm confused, what else should we be prevented from buying legally?

anything that you can communicate with,or protect yourself with.

 

[chilango]

Aren't they also fingerprinting all the Roma as well?

Yup.

..and putting the army on the streets etc etc.

Why shouldn't buying a mobile phone be seen as a 'right', I'm confused, what else should we be prevented from buying legally?

A gun?

No. I'm just interested by the fact that people see their ability to buy certain things as a "right".

 

[Zachor]

Yep. cos the Torys wouldn't dream of doing something like this.

You've got to do something practical to get rid of this NL scum Haven't you? Give the tories the chance to at least halt the constant infantilising and snooping culture of NL.

I'd rather take my chance with a party that when they were in govt rejected the idea of mass surveillance via id cards etc

The tories aint perfect not by a long way but they are the only way that the electorate can snatch back whats left of their freedoms. It could be better but we have to work with the political hand we are dealt.

 

[_angel_]

anything that you can communicate with,

That's all of mankind then..