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Passenger revolt against Asians on plane

trashpony said:
What you have to do is wear horrible shorts, flipflops, neck lager from the moment you get to the airport till the flight leaves and make stupid smutty comments to the air stewardesses. That way the dimwits will know 'you're one of us' and not some mad fundamentalist nutter. ;)

Now now, trashpony, you're making light of this episode, forgetting that the two in question were committing the serious offence of attempting to board an aircraft whilst looking Asian. They bring it upon themselves, you know...
 
detective-boy said:
I'm not sure the working class would like to associate themselves with sort of hysterical fuckwittery. I blame Diana ... and the fucking tabloids ... and Big sodding Brother ...
The point is that the middle class oriented press have used the "paediatrician burning" myth to sneer at the suggestion that working class people can run their own communities on more than one occaission.
 
Blackmushroom said:
Are all 2 million Muslims in the UK from one homogeneous community? Who are these "community leaders" that represent all muslims? What mandate do they have from the community they're supposed to represent?

Good point and I agree entirely - hence why I used the the plural rather than the singular when describing 'leaders' and 'communities.'

My understanding of a community is that it is geographical in nature and that to try and break it up on lines of ethnicity, race or religion is a very dangerous thing indeed. Having been to the Balkans and seen what the results of it are, the last thing we need in the UK are measures that reinforce those differences. I would include faith-based schools in that. What use are good exam results when communities are tearing themselves apart and kids from different ethnicities have to be bussed from place to place just to break down barriers because the schooling and housing systems effectively segregate them?

What mandate do these leaders have? Very little on the face of it. But we cannot uninvent them and they have to realise that they are part of the problem and may not be speaking for the people that they think they are speaking for. They may have influence within the older generations but they may not have influence with younger generations, which then begs the question: Who does? The same applies for other communities. Those who influence older generations may not be able to influence younger generations. (Just think William Hague and that baseball cap.)

Being of mixed race myself I can understand what it's like being torn between two cultures. But the messy work of rebuilding communities has to be done rather than ignored. The challenge for the Government is how to go about this without compromising the values of the wider society we live in. (What those values are and/or should be is for another thread.)
 
In Bloom said:
The point is that the middle class oriented press have used the "paediatrician burning" myth to sneer at the suggestion that working class people can run their own communities on more than one occaission.

So, lynch mobs are ok if they are working class?:confused:
 
Blackmushroom said:
How many people have done things that their parents haven't wanted them to? What makes you think that young British Muslims are any different?
As I've posted before, I think the disaffection of youth is pretty standard. It's the second UK-born generation (from mass Asian immigration in the 70s). It happened with black youth at the same generational stage (in the 1980s, two generations from mass black immigration in the 50s). It will happen again with any other mass immigration.

Immigrants have strong cultural ties to their origins (language, religion, social norms). First UK born generation start to pick up UK traits (mostly bad!) but the strength of the cultural roots around them are strong enough to prevail. By the second generation the UK traits have become so strong, and the cultural roots so weak, that "control" of the youth is lost and there is confusion for them as they try to establish new cultural norms. This confusion manifests itself in all sorts of ways - riots / violence / suicide attacks / drug misuse ... who knows.

That's my theory anyway.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
So, lynch mobs are ok if they are working class?:confused:
This is exactly the sort of bollocks I am talking about, this suggestion that if communties could run themselves, council estates would be overrun with lynch mobs and protection rings :rolleyes:
 
In Bloom said:
The point is that the middle class oriented press ...
That'd be the middle-class oriented press which is responsible for most of the hysteria and fuckwittery in the first place, would it?

(And regardless of the truth or otherwise of the paediatrician story, there have been many attacks on non-paedophiles by fuckwits who have got names / addresses wrong or simply built themselves up into a frenzy with unsubstantiated gossip)
 
In Bloom said:
This is exactly the sort of bollocks I am talking about, this suggestion that if communties could run themselves, council estates would be overrun with lynch mobs and protection rings :rolleyes:

Why is that anymore bollox than the suggestion you're making that they can run things without decending into chaos?:confused:
 
detective-boy said:
That'd be the middle-class oriented press which is responsible for most of the hysteria and fuckwittery in the first place, would it?
The "hysteria and fuckwittery" that is only extant within the narative of that press and serves the agenda of both sides of it. The side which asserts that this "hysteria" proves that people need to be ruled and the side which asserts that this "hysteria" proves the popularity of their own viewpoint.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Why is that anymore bollox than the suggestion you're making that they can run things without decending into chaos?:confused:
One has to wonder how we got to having nation states without destroying ourselves, if we need them to prevent ourselves from "decending (sic!) into chaos"
 
In Bloom said:
One has to wonder how we got to having nation states without destroying ourselves, if we need them to prevent ourselves from "decending (sic!) into chaos"

Ok, aside from you sidestepping the question; I'm not talking about the last few million years. I'm talking about now.:rolleyes:
 
Coming back to the point about the passenger revolt, the reason why it concerns me is that I'm due to make several flights over the next month or so and being of a similar age and appearance to those that some are saying should be subjected to rigorous searches and questioning does concern me in that chances are I am going to get stopped. But as mentioned elsewhere, so long as A) I don't miss my flights and B) I am treated with respect and dignity, I can live with it.

I'm concerned about the hysteria being whipped up by the media that causes people to respond in such a way. I hope it is only an isolated incident.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Ok, aside from you sidestepping the question; I'm not talking about the last few million years. I'm talking about now.:rolleyes:
What has changed about the basic nature of human beings as social animals that makes living without a centralised state impossible then?
 
In Bloom said:
What has changed about the basic nature of human beings as social animals that makes living without a centralised state impossible then?

Fair enough, you don't want to answer the question.
 
Prince Rhyus said:
being of a similar age and appearance to those that some are saying should be subjected to rigorous searches and questioning does concern me in that chances are I am going to get stopped.

Which is completely wrong. Religion can transcend all races so while security are picking out asian looking people to stop and search black and white muslims could be getting on the plane unchecked.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
Fair enough, you don't want to answer the question.
I'm questioning the basic assumptions behind the question.

If you want to avoid that by claiming that I'm avoiding the question, fair enough :p
 
On the paedophile scare story. I think the issue is of the NoTW wanting to boost sales with a good scare story. Fear sells same as it does with "TERROR ALERT" stories. Of course the government likes fear to and is more than happy to supply the Murdoch press with quotes from "sources close to John Reid" otherwise known as john reid.
 
In Bloom said:
The "hysteria and fuckwittery" that is only extant within the narative of that press and serves the agenda of both sides of it. The side which asserts that this "hysteria" proves that people need to be ruled and the side which asserts that this "hysteria" proves the popularity of their own viewpoint.
Er ... but does this incident not demonsrate that the hysteria whipped up in the media CAN cause fuckwittery in real-life by the non-thinking (of whatever class)?
 
Personally think the stupid prejudiced arseholes on the plane should be done for inciting racial hatred.
 
detective-boy said:
Er ... but does this incident not demonsrate that the hysteria whipped up in the media CAN cause fuckwittery in real-life by the non-thinking (of whatever class)?

actually that's what i was wondering. IB posts a link about stupid prejudiced people and makes a comment about how stupid and prejudiced it is and proceeds to attack anyone suggesting that there are stupid and prejudiced people in the world as enemies of the working class.

make yer mind up dude.
 
Our daughter noticed a couple of guys that were perhaps acting a bit strange. They went to the front of the queue, went to the back of the queue, and then they went and sat down by themselves.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/5269106.stm

So we have just had several attemped bombings but muslims (bad ones I agree) and two arab types get on an aircraft acting in a very odd manner.
What the fuck do you expect.

For fuck's sake if they had just been sat there them fair comment but these two seem to have been acting well odd.

All these twats going on about racism need to shut the fuck up and just look at it without the shite PC bollocks they spout.
Anyway fuck off and jabber on about the racist suicide bombers wanting to kill whites and consider the chance that their actions are causing the problems we see now.
 
Prince Rhyus said:
I'm concerned about the hysteria being whipped up by the media that causes people to respond in such a way. I hope it is only an isolated incident.

I'm in a similar boat as you but hope that these people sue the arse off the airline to dissuade others from capitulating from such nonsense.
 
Prince Rhyus said:
I'm concerned about the hysteria being whipped up by the media that causes people to respond in such a way. I hope it is only an isolated incident.

Absolutely. It's no wonder that this sort of racist mob activity occurs given this lastest bout of media, government and police scaremongering - trying to freak everybody out.

Micheal Moore talks alot about the politics of fear in his documentaries about and how to US elite try to scare 'their' public into submission. Exactly the same can now be said about the ruling classes methods in this country.

Turn off the news and read.
 
What a fucking depressing story.

I hope the two Asian men sue:
(a) the fucking morons who got them kicked off the plane and
(b) the airtline for going along with thier unfounded accusations.
 
In Bloom said:
I'm questioning the basic assumptions behind the question.

If you want to avoid that by claiming that I'm avoiding the question, fair enough :p

You're quite cute when you wriggle out of answering a question!:D
 
big footed fred said:
So we have just had several attemped bombings but muslims (bad ones I agree) and two arab types get on an aircraft acting in a very odd manner.
What the fuck do you expect.
What you mean by, "speaking Arabic," yes?

So what do you propose? English speaking only flights?
 
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