Passenger revolt against Asians on plane

[big footed fred]

You sound like a cheap, common or garden red baiter who hasn't learned how discuss anything without chucking in "commie this" or "commie that" or, the best of the lot "PC brigade" or words to that effect.

If you loathe the language of the far right so much, why do you use it?

You belong in a 50's theme museum, where they keep such things as McCarthy's last bottle of booze.

So suggesting that the lefty types are commies is a sin but suggesting that people who think you spout a load of bollocks are racist is OK.

Isn't that intolerant of any ideas other than your own ?
Can't be or you would be a bigot.

 

[detective-boy]

Anyway I'm still a very bad racist. Been speaking to one of those brown skinned muslim people for the last hour.

You do realise that that is entirely and utterly irrelevant don't you? There is absolutely nothing to stop you being racist if you have brown-skinned muslim friends or partners or even if you are a brown-skinned muslim yourself.

 

[big footed fred]

You do realise that that is entirely and utterly irrelevant don't you? There is absolutely nothing to stop you being racist if you have brown-skinned muslim friends or partners or even if you are a brown-skinned muslim yourself.

Lets look again at the diccy.

racism n.
1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others.
2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief.

So what you said could be true if you use definition number one alone but it would be unusual for someone holding such a belief to mix with those of other races or have people outside his or her own racial group as friends or relatives by choice.
In this case I will have to disagree with you.

 

[laptop]

Resorting to the dictionary shows lack of understanding, no?

D-B's right: a person's friendship with particular people of a different "race" says nothing whatsoever about whether they're racist in general. In fact, in my experience it is people who are racist in general who are more likely to be deeply confused about this issue - from the man who "I hate all Pakis - except that Saeed who works at the garage, he's all right, and his sister's fit" on out.

You've not worked out why I posted the "Guess who's coming to dinner?" link

 

[Soul On Ice]

Resorting to the dictionary shows lack of understanding, no?

D-B's right: a person's friendship with particular people of a different "race" says nothing whatsoever about whether they're racist in general. In fact, in my experience it is people who are racist in general who are more likely to be deeply confused about this issue - from the man who "I hate all Pakis - except that Saeed who works at the garage, he's all right, and his sister's fit" on out.

Very well put.

BFF demonstartes a lack of understanding about what racism actually is - but to be fair to him (and I hate myself for saying this - but I do think it is true) there are many on this board who who throw around the word "racist" all too casually whenever there is a view that is contrary to the prevailing leftie orthoxdoxy. Sometimes people are trying to raise genuine points and engage in a discussion around the complex and sensitive issue of race.

That said it is clear from Fred's posts that he neither understands the complexity or sensitivty of the issue.

 

[warren]

Perhaps a bit of education for these British People on what a terrorist will look like wouldnt go a miss.

He will be young, wearing a 'nike' t-shirt & baseball cap, looking smart & 'clean' looking, probably clean shaven.

One serious point If you can see any part of his limbs such as his arms the hair will be shaved.

 

[big footed fred]

That said it is clear from Fred's posts that he neither understands the complexity or sensitivty of the issue.

Perhaps you make it far more compex than it needs to be.
Racism is simple. It's a belief that one race is better in some way than others.
A racist who says "I hate all pakis but Shaf down at the take away is OK is not a racist as such - just not informed or not met people from other races and got to know them.
I'm the opposite. I like to assume that all people are Ok regardless of who are what they are until they prove otherwise.
As it happens shaf's kebabs are crap and I don't like the guy that much. Nothing to do with his race and he has no religion but I dislike the other stuff he's into.

What I do know is that in this country we are over tuned to racism. I met a british born chinese guy while on holiday. It's a common question to ask "where are you from?". As I had heard his voice it was clear he was english so I was sort of expecting him to answer with the name of his town.
I ended up with a very guarded "I was born in the UK".
It was clear he was expecting me to call him a chink and ask him for 69 and chips so I informed him that was clear from his accent and I was just trying to start a conversation.
Other than the british the same question gets a "I'm from where ever".

Same went in a boozer in Malaysia. I said to a british girl that I had just found the local drugs connection nodding towards a guy in a corner.
"Why 'cos he's black" said she.
"No - he keeps taking people into a dark corner" I responded.

I was sat in a muslim country with a local chinese girl and a british born Indian girl and the silly cow was suggesting I was a racist.

We are bloody obsessed with looking for and hunting down racists and it's this that causes more problems for the very people you try to protect.
Why not try accepting that most people are not racist and then you can get to work on Mr Griffin and his cretins. It's these bigoted fools that pose a real danger to all in this country regardless of race, colour or creed.

Laptop. Why would someone with racist opinions wish to mix with those of another race ?
Sort of self defeating is it not ?
Still maybe us whites can enslave a couple of darkies before lunch just so we know we are better - eh, laptop ?

 

[DexterTCN]

Laptop. Why would someone with racist opinions wish to mix with those of another race ?

You're confusing racists and segregationists.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You're confusing racists and segregationists.

That's a good one!

 

[citygirl]

can't see muslim extremist suicide bombers getting drunk beforehand...that wouldn't please allah very much

'tis no wonder these kids were "laughing and shifting about"...they probably couldn't fucking believe the fuss that was kicked up!

 

[ZAMB]

Perhaps a bit of education for these British People on what a terrorist will look like wouldnt go a miss.

He will be young, wearing a 'nike' t-shirt & baseball cap, looking smart & 'clean' looking, probably clean shaven.

One serious point If you can see any part of his limbs such as his arms the hair will be shaved.

Am I mistaken, or have you got to the point where you are assuming that the only terrorists will be muslim terrorists? Surely this is a very dangerous assumption to make? It might lead you to discount any of the hundreds of other terrorist groups which exist worldwide.

 

[MonkeyMagic]

I'm comfortable with the fact that as a (brown) human I am at least slightly racist. I have no desire to pretend that I am not. Those of you who have darkie mates can pretend that that makes you a wholesome sort of person who welcomes people of all colours and creeds. Obviously such a thought process would be utter toss.

I can see racism in someone's face before they have uttered a word. This is a special gift, I admit, but you're going to have to take my word for it.

 

[DexterTCN]

That's a good one!

Listen...I couldn't count the number of times I've heard the 'some of my best friends are coloured' argument. It's no more convincing now than 30 years ago.

 

[detective-boy]

...there are many on this board who who throw around the word "racist" all too casually...

Sadly 'tis true generally, not just on this board. Often confused with lots of other concepts (such as stereotyping and prejudice) which may be racist but may not be, depending on the actual circumstances.

 

[detective-boy]

Why would someone with racist opinions wish to mix with those of another race ?

Your post demonstrates the full depth of your misunderstanding.

There is nothing about "racist" that requires a racist to dislike, etc. ALL other racists. You may have a partner from one race and still be racist in relation to others. ALL of the situations you describe could be explained thus.

And there is nothing about "racist" which says that you have to be white to be racist. Anyone, of any race, can be racist. You may have a partner from another race and you may both be racist towards a third race.

It seems you fall into the same trap as many, many people in the UK (and many posters on these boards) of believing that racism is a charge which can only be levelled against a white person. In any country racism by the majority race is inevitably going to be more obvious (in the UK that means that most observed racism is by white people) but that does not mean that no-one else can be racist. There are a small number of recorded racial-motivated offences with people of non-white races as suspects and with people of white races as victims.

 

[nino_savatte]

So suggesting that the lefty types are commies is a sin but suggesting that people who think you spout a load of bollocks are racist is OK.

Isn't that intolerant of any ideas other than your own ?
Can't be or you would be a bigot.

You see, you still can't post anything without resorting to redbaiting shite.

If I called you (and your ideological soulmates) a fascist right winger, would that be correct? Have a think about that...if you can think.

 

[nino_savatte]

I was quite clear about my naughty times when I retired and even opened a thread to say so.
Once again I invite you to fuck off.

And once again, freddy boy, are you a Stormcunter?

 

[big footed fred]

You're confusing racists and segregationists.

Now it's getting silly.
The nature of a segregationist suggests a dislike of other races and a good chance they are a racist as well.
So, Johnny, it's a crap one.

Anyway on to DB.
Think I said all of that before. I failed to mention any colours just generalised to say one or all other races. No mention of only whites being racist.
Have a peek at what Mugabe is up to top see a Black being racist to whites or a british born pakistanni muslim suicide bomber wanting to kill whites on the tube to see an asian racist. I once met a chinese guy who hated whites. he was well fucked off when he realised I could understand mandarin to a level that allowed me to know what he was saying.
I treated him in the same way I treat those who spout that shit from a white gob. I told him to go fuck his mother. In chinese you understand.

Anyway we are way off topic here.
My question to anyone is why am I considered a racist for trying to understand the fears of a group of people in that situation ?
I just don't see an aircraft full of racists unless it was a BNP trip to see how the dagos live.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Perhaps a bit of education for these British People on what a terrorist will look like wouldnt go a miss.

He will be young, wearing a 'nike' t-shirt & baseball cap, looking smart & 'clean' looking, probably clean shaven.

One serious point If you can see any part of his limbs such as his arms the hair will be shaved.

Trying to identify terrorists based on how they dress or look is a terrible tactic and a complete red-herring.