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chymaera said:
London is just as bad as Paris, if not worse, as you can't take your kids hardly anywhere. I hate visiting Brixton with my daughter as all the pubs don't allow kids.
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London is just as bad as Paris, if not worse, as you can't take your kids hardly anywhere. I hate visiting Brixton with my daughter as all the pubs don't allow kids.
My impression of Paris is that they are pretty misanthropic in general. We were actually appalled at the people there. Just utterly rude in all facets. Snobs, have no qualms staring at you, pretend to not speak a word of English when you know they do.
At one restaurant they just pretended we weren't there, I guess we hadn't met their dresscode, but rather than telling us that, they just completely ignored us.
At another restaurant, a couple at a nearby table stared at us the entire meal. Not just a glance here and there, but they were physically turned around in their seats and pointing at us. It was awful.
I don't think Londoners are particularly nice, warm or friendly, but they are almost always polite (except when driving). You get used to it and forget the world isn't like this.
(of course, not everyone in Paris is like that. It's just a very different feel from London, the general code of politeness doesn't seem to hold).
At one restaurant they just pretended we weren't there, I guess we hadn't met their dresscode, but rather than telling us that, they just completely ignored us.
At another restaurant, a couple at a nearby table stared at us the entire meal. Not just a glance here and there, but they were physically turned around in their seats and pointing at us. It was awful.
I don't think Londoners are particularly nice, warm or friendly, but they are almost always polite (except when driving). You get used to it and forget the world isn't like this.
(of course, not everyone in Paris is like that. It's just a very different feel from London, the general code of politeness doesn't seem to hold).
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RenegadeDog said:
Well, kind of, in a way, perhaps. But if the parents on this thread all agree that the world doesn't owe us anything, then we should also acknowledge that Garfield Le Chat doesn't owe the world the benefit of his offspring.
See, we're a lot nicer, more sensible and less selfish than you take us for, GLC. The only person who really gives a toss that you're not breeding is you.
Structaural said:
Yeah, but London has real parks, etc.
catrina said:
I completely agree. I lived in Paris for a year and found it very overhyped. Beneath the veneer of 'beautiful city' there's absolutely nothing beneath the surface. It's an unfriendly, seedy, sleazy, uncharming, uncomfortable, mean, desert-like, miserable place with rubbish nightlife for a city so famous.
And that's just the positives!
jæd said:
Indeed - I despised the parks in Paris.
They wanted to be all arty and that, but they weren't places to relax. Just full of people sitting on those horrid iron chairs gazing wistfully at the grass that they wished they were allowed to sit on.
There IS One good park in paris though - Parc des Buttes Chaumont. It's a bit out of the way in the North East. But it's more like an English park with grass you can sit on.
RenegadeDog said:Indeed - I despised the parks in Paris.
They wanted to be all arty and that, but they weren't places to relax. Just full of people sitting on those horrid iron chairs gazing wistfully at the grass that they wished they were allowed to sit on.
There IS One good park in paris though - Parc des Buttes Chaumont. It's a bit out of the way in the North East. But it's more like an English park with grass you can sit on.
Last time I was in Paris it was blazingly hot so we went to the park. Of all the spotless gardens and patches of grass there was one patch of grass the Parisians were allowed to sit on, and it was so crowded you couldn't see any green.
And the grassy patch you were allowed to sit on was tiny compared to the rest of the Park. The whole thing looked like they'd caged up all the Frenchies in one patch. I wouldn't be surprised if they were charging sitting down fees...
At least with virtually park in London you can go to the offy, get a nice bottle of wine and sit down on the grass and a few glasses without having someone's elbow in your face...
(You can't do this anywhere in Central Park in NYC, which is why I think that park is over-rated)You should have gone to the Park des Buttes Chaumont.
I agree, though. Everyone who visits Paris goes on about how 'beautiful' it is. But you can't do anything with beauty once you've seen it a few times. You can do things with decent grassy parks that you can go to with your mates and a crate of beer/with your other half and a bottle of beer
Even the 'Bois de Vincennes' doesn't contain that much really decent grass.
I agree, though. Everyone who visits Paris goes on about how 'beautiful' it is. But you can't do anything with beauty once you've seen it a few times. You can do things with decent grassy parks that you can go to with your mates and a crate of beer/with your other half and a bottle of beer
Even the 'Bois de Vincennes' doesn't contain that much really decent grass.
I've been here for four months with a 20-month old, and find the individual Parisiens can be very pro-kiddie...but the facilities are awful.
Not a single cafe or restaurant I've ever been to has a baby changing tray, most of the bogs even in extremely expensive cafes are grim grotty piss soaked tiny holes, you almost never see other toddlers in cafes or bars...where do the Parisiens go? I don't want all bars to be kiddie-friendly but just some where the mum and dads could hang out would be good. It's also extremely claustrophobic, with no view or sightlines anywhere, let alone parks or open space.
Not a single cafe or restaurant I've ever been to has a baby changing tray, most of the bogs even in extremely expensive cafes are grim grotty piss soaked tiny holes, you almost never see other toddlers in cafes or bars...where do the Parisiens go? I don't want all bars to be kiddie-friendly but just some where the mum and dads could hang out would be good. It's also extremely claustrophobic, with no view or sightlines anywhere, let alone parks or open space.
Yeah but *at least* London has the parks to take them to and stuff.
dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
That's what I found when I used to go there regularly, even the French don't like Parisians.chymaera said:
Regarding the attitude to children. What I have found is that badly behaved children are universally disliked. Again drawing on my experience, I find that British children are often badly behaved, running around restaurants etc casuing a nuisance to other customers. British parents seem to assume that this is appropriate for their over indulged little darlings. I accept the child has the right to his self expression (whatever that might mean) but the rest of us have the right not to be disturbed by 'your' little precious.
I love kids, but only if they know how to behave.
dessiato said:
i agree. i find british kids do not know how to behave in public and the parents allow them, or accept and think that's the way they should be.
we teach our daughter otherwise, in public, you don't run around except when you're at the park. you don't scream or talk loud. period.
