Parent and toddler parking - taking it too far?

[Space Girl]

i once parked in a kiddie space (only once! before i get shot down in flames) when going into the supermarket, a man approached me and my pal and enquired as to whether we knew it was reserved for people with children, my mates reply (quick as you like)

- whats wrong? havent your kids got any legs


wonderful!

would your and your mate have the same response if you have been parking in a disable space

 

[Space Girl]

I use 'em all the time, when pulled I reply that I do have children but left them in the house

why don't you park int eh disabled places, they are much closer you know and there's usually more of them

 

[snadge]

why don't you park int eh disabled places, they are much closer you know and there's usually more of them

but I'm not disabled

 

[Space Girl]

but I'm not disabled

but you park in the P&C spaces when you don't have your children with you

 

[snadge]

but you park in the P&C spaces when you don't have your children with you

I've got a BIG car, I need the extra width

 

[Space Girl]

I've got a BIG car, I need the extra width

yawn

 

[Shmu]

I've got a BIG car, I need the extra width

What sort of car is it, that you're incapable of parking in a normal parking space?

I've got a big car too, but am able to park it in a normal parking space.

 

[oooomegrapes]

would your and your mate have the same response if you have been parking in a disable space

no, never....wouldnt park in a disabled space

 

[pogofish]

Of course market forces are the motivation of the supermarkets, but why is this relevant as an excuse for parking in a space reserved for someone with more to cope with/larger spacial needs?

Equally, non-parent money is the same colour as yours. Why should they be penalised for your extra gullibility/profligacy by pester-power?

 

[ICB]

Equally, non-parent money is the same colour as yours. Why should they be penalised for your extra gullibility/profligacy by pester-power?

Eh? What's it got to do with gullibility or profligacy? If you're shopping with kids the extra space prevents damaged body work and the proximity to the entrance/footpath prevents damaged children.

What penalty? Walking a few extra yards?

 

[Space Girl]

no, never....wouldnt park in a disabled space

so why park in a space that's designated for someone else ?

I know you only did it the once but when you were challenged for doing it (and quite rightly so) your mate came out with a scarcastic comment, which even though you didn't say yourself, you still seem quite proud of.

A mother (who might be heavily pregnant too) with small children can struggle just as much as some (please note the word 'some', this does not, by any means mean 'all') disabled people, I am confussed as to why some of you think it's ok to park in P&C spaces and not disabled given the circumstances of some parents

 

[pogofish]

Eh? What's it got to do with gullibility or profligacy? If you're shopping with kids the extra space prevents damaged body work and the proximity to the entrance/footpath prevents damaged children.

What penalty? Walking a few extra yards?

The bottom line for supermarkets is that parents with kids in-tow spend more & that pressure from kids is a significant factor in the purchase of certain types of goods. Otherwise, the typical car park disclaimer suggests that they don't give a great deal of concern about what goes on in them.

I see that Parent & Child toilets are the next innovation. Being piloted in Manchester, right now.

 

[Shmu]

I see that Parent & Child toilets are the next innovation. Being piloted in Manchester, right now.

Fantastic - ever tried pushing a pushchair or supermarket trolley into a normal-sized toilet cubicle? Or trying to go to the loo with a baby on your lap? Or a toddler fiddling with all the lovely fixtures?

The latter two are doable, but awkward and not as afe as they could be.

Or you can always leave your child in the pushchair/trolley unattended whilst you have a wee, of course.

Why do you have a problem with people designing things to make life a bit easier/safer for parents?

If you're not a parent, it doesn't really affect you much does it?

 

[ICB]

The bottom line for supermarkets is that parents with kids in-tow spend more & that pressure from kids is a significant factor in the purchase of certain types of goods. Otherwise, the typical car park disclaimer suggests that they don't give a great deal of concern about what goes on in them.

You're not presenting a coherent argument.

The motivation of the supermarkets and pester power are irrelevant as far as the net result of parking policy for the parents and children is concerned.

I care about whether I can get in and out of the car without damaging someone else's and whether I can get to and from the car without someone damaging my kids. If the supermarkets are only doing this to make more money so be it, it's actually quite a nice rarity for blind capitalism to have positive side-effects.

 

[pogofish]

Fantastic - ever tried pushing a pushchair or supermarket trolley into a normal-sized toilet cubicle?

Why do you have a problem with people designing things to make life a bit easier/safer for parents?

It seems like segmentation taken a step too far & many people are clearly lapping it up?


How about the huge double-deck parking eyesore that sprung-up outside my local store for a start? So people can get to the goods a few seconds quicker? Virtually all P&C space as well, in an airfield-sized car park that sits empty most of the time & is well-enough provided with pedestrian space & lanes. Also the issues of co-opting popular community facilities into private corporate property & a 6-year legal battle to get them to honour the deal.

Aslo the stealth McDonalds that was snuck-through as part of the same deal, despite a hard-won planning-ban on fast-food outlets.

Still, it keeps the kiddies happy, I suppose?

 

[pogofish]

The motivation of the supermarkets and pester power are irrelevant as far as the net result of parking policy for the parents and children is concerned.

Nope, parking policy is solely the result of studies of different types of customer & what makes them likley to get the cash out. Your added benifits are largely irrellevant.

 

[Shmu]

Nope, parking policy is solely the result of studies of different types of customer & what makes them likley to get the cash out. Your added benifits are largely irrellevant.

They're irrelevant to the supermarket owners, but not irrelevant to the parents.

As to the rest of your arguments in your previous post - you're tacking a totally separate issue onto this. One that I think is much more legitimate and makes a bit more sense, but overall, I can't really be arsed to discuss this with you anymore, because mostly you are not making much sense.

 

[ICB]

Nope, parking policy is solely the result of studies of different types of customer & what makes them likley to get the cash out. Your added benifits are largely irrellevant.

You're not paying attention, I wasn't contesting why it's happened, I was talking about whether I think it's good. Good things can happen for bad reasons, bad things can happen for good reasons.

I care far more about my kids' (any kids') safety than I do about supermarket profits and so should you, and anyone else with any decency.

 

[pogofish]

because mostly you are not making much sense.

Maybe bacause the whole issue lacks any real sense?

 

[Chairman Meow]

Parent child toilets are great for the reasons someone gave above. Also, they help get around the problem of accompanying an opposite sex smallie to the bog - a 6 year old boy won't want to go into the ladies, and yet its not safe to let him go unaccompanied into the gents. If you aren't a parent, surely its no skin off your nose?

Edited because of a stray apostrophe.

 

[pogofish]

Good things can happen for bad reasons, bad things can happen for good reasons.

I care far more about my kids' (any kids') safety than I do about supermarket profits and so should you, and anyone else with any decency.

Indeed, I don't disagree with any of that but I don't think the supermarkets place much value in it either & the siting of many P&C bays on the main-drag into a car park might also suggest that? Instead, it is simply a part of their battery of thecniques for trammeling you into their form of ideal customer. I would hope any responsable parent would be able to decide the safest place for their own kids & circumstances.

 

[ICB]

Indeed, I don't disagree with any of that but I don't think the supermarkets place much value in it either & the siting of many P&C bays on the main-drag into a car park might also suggest that? Instead, it is simply a part of their battery of thecniques for trammeling you into their form of ideal customer. I would hope any responsable parent would be able to decide the safest place for their own kids & circumstances.

I know why they do it and I agree that some of them are situated badly, which is silly, the safety issue being more important than the paint/bodywork one (although the space issue is not just about this, it's very easy to do yourself and/or child an injury wrestling a toddler in and out of a car seat in a confined space).

Likewise I would hope that any responsible parent is fairly capable at resisting the pester power factor and dismissing the misplaced ire of shoppers without children, else they're going to end up homicidal pretty quickly.

 

[pogofish]

Likewise I would hope that any responsible parent is fairly capable at resisting the pester power factor and dismissing the misplaced ire of shoppers without children, else they're going to end up homicidal pretty quickly.

Which is why I'm quite happy to go shopping, on two-wheels at the most antisocial hours when the car park is virtually empty & the aisles are nice & quiet.

 

[snadge]

What sort of car is it, that you're incapable of parking in a normal parking space?

I've got a big car too, but am able to park it in a normal parking space.

look I'm just winding you up if you haven't got it by now, I did it once when the car park was full and that's what I said when confronted, I even have no kids.

saying that some parents and children are wankers, I want to go round the supermarket in record time, I hate the places instead I'm confronted by unattended kids wandering aimlessly around looking for the sugar fix aisle.

I would put money on that more kids are injured inside supermarkets than in the car park so your argument about keeping your little precious tommy safe is redundant, last week I saw a little 7/8 year caught on the head by an oap pushing a trolley, where was his mother, fondling the fucking melons, FFS keep your kids under control and as for pubs, don't get me started on that.

 

[snadge]

Parent child toilets are great for the reasons someone gave above. Also, they help get around the problem of accompanying an opposite sex smallie to the bog - a 6 year old boy won't want to go into the ladies, and yet its not safe to let him go unaccompanied into the gents. If you aren't a parent, surely its no skin off your nose?

Edited because of a stray apostrophe.

how isn't it safe to let a child go into a supermarket toilet alone?

 

[Space Girl]

look I'm just winding you up if you haven't got it by now, I did it once when the car park was full and that's what I said when confronted, I even have no kids.

saying that some parents and children are wankers, I want to go round the supermarket in record time, I hate the places instead I'm confronted by unattended kids wandering aimlessly around looking for the sugar fix aisle.

I would put money on that more kids are injured inside supermarkets than in the car park so your argument about keeping your little precious tommy safe is redundant, last week I saw a little 7/8 year caught on the head by an oap pushing a trolley, where was his mother, fondling the fucking melons, FFS keep your kids under control and as for pubs, don't get me started on that.

you're vile

 

[Space Girl]

how isn't it safe to let a child go into a supermarket toilet alone?

because there might be child hating twat's like you in there, that's why

 

[snadge]

because there might be child hating twat's like you in there, that's why

what are you trying to say, that I would harm children

 

[Chairman Meow]

how isn't it safe to let a child go into a supermarket toilet alone?

Its not safe to let little kids go anywhere on their own. Weren't you complaining about unsupervised kids in supermarkets a few posts ago?

And, just sometimes, there are perverts in toilets you know. There was a bloke nicked here a few months ago who liked hanging around the swimming pool toilets and changing rooms. So no, I won't let my kid into the gents on his own, and I think parent/ child bogs are a great idea.

 

[snadge]

you're vile

for what reason, BTW I don't hate children, I love 'em, I am unlucky not to be able to have them myself, I get on great with kids, they like me but I can't stand people who let their screaming brats run riot in public places.

and as for the paedo remark, retract it.