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really looking forward to watching this, however I think it may just be completely negative crap about how everyone who smokes skunk gets psychosis.
 
Miss_Nice said:
really looking forward to watching this, however I think it may just be completely negative crap about how everyone who smokes skunk gets psychosis.


I don't think anyone in any recent research is suggesting anything like that.
 
Miss_Nice said:
everyone who smokes skunk gets psychosis.

Why are you saying that?

Are you winding me up?

I was worrying about that just now.

Are you reading the thoughts from my mind?

Why do you want to wind me up?

I know, I'll thing of something totally unlikely and see whether you can read that...
 
laptop said:
Why are you saying that?

Are you winding me up?

I was worrying about that just now.

Are you reading the thoughts from my mind?

Why do you want to wind me up?

I know, I'll thing of something totally unlikely and see whether you can read that...
That aint even funny...............
 
laptop said:
Why are you saying that?

Are you winding me up?

I was worrying about that just now.

Are you reading the thoughts from my mind?

Why do you want to wind me up?

I know, I'll thing of something totally unlikely and see whether you can read that...

lol


oh wait.
 
Miss_Nice said:
really looking forward to watching this, however I think it may just be completely negative crap about how everyone who smokes skunk gets psychosis.

i once read a story in the daily mail (i found it on a long train journey, i didn't buy it) that a straight A school girl tried skunk and a week later was hooked on heroin. :rolleyes:
 
joustmaster said:
i once read a story in the daily mail (i found it on a long train journey, i didn't buy it) that a straight A school girl tried skunk and a week later was hooked on heroin. :rolleyes:

Every parent’s nightmare!

I remember a Morning Star story about a straight-A school girl who tried the Independent just the once and a week later she was hooked on the Mail.

She was telling her parents the total truth about everything she'd ever done, too.
 
poet said:
Reefer Madness, anyone?

"Groundhog Day" innit ... :rolleyes:

Still waiting to try some of this "super strong skunk" I keep hearing about ... by my reckoning at "25 percent THC" it must look more like a slime mould than a normal plant ....
 
gentlegreen said:
"Groundhog Day" innit ... :rolleyes:

Still waiting to try some of this "super strong skunk" I keep hearing about ... by my reckoning at "25 percent THC" it must look more like a slime mould than a normal plant ....

Aye, some hack's gone on the net and found some dodgy seed merchant bragging about their wares and taken their figures to be remotely factual. Yes, you could hypothetically coax some very good genetics in a very, very good hydro environment to yield 25% THC, but no commercial grower's going to try when they can knock out lockups full of very average Big Bud with very little effort and make a killing.

It's the brand new lie for the generation of parents that smoked a bit of hash in their student days and escaped unscathed, and seems to be working well. "Cannabis is 20 times stronger than the stuff you smoked! Wuurgh!!!". The DEA's own studies reckoned that the totally average mexican/thai/other grass with bits of seeds and shit that did the rounds in the sixties & seventies averaged out at 3% THC. Your modern commercial skunk is about 8%, so it's none of the scare stories of 'wildly varying potencies' but just the difference between commercial pisslager and a good hardy real ale.

Remember boys and girls, anyone uttering the words 'what every parent needs to know' is invariably going to follow it with a catalogue of scaremongering lies.
 
Having said that, after so many years of putting up with crappy hash and wishing I could get weed, I now have the opposite problem: There only ever seems to be very strong 'knockout' bud/skunk and I have started to wish I could get more mild stuff! Ironically the stuff I like the best is when someone gives me a bunch of sweepings and leaf that's left over from the main crop and which they don't actually sell.
 
TeeJay said:
Having said that, after so many years of putting up with crappy hash and wishing I could get weed, I now have the opposite problem: There only ever seems to be very strong 'knockout' bud/skunk and I have started to wish I could get more mild stuff! Ironically the stuff I like the best is when someone gives me a bunch of sweepings and leaf that's left over from the main crop and which they don't actually sell.

:confused: just smoke less of it then :confused:

(better for your health)
 
Well you would have thought that it would be as simple as that but in fact I find that different weed gives different "highs". I am sure someone more expert than me can set us right on this...
 
TeeJay said:
Well you would have thought that it would be as simple as that but in fact I find that different weed gives different "highs". I am sure someone more expert than me can set us right on this...

Horses for courses I suppose, some people actually think instant coffee is coffee ....

You could always knock the trichomes off and give them away to a friend ...

But then if you're getting the waste material cheap in any case ....

Do you smoke it with tobacco ?
 
Sorry I don't understand that last post. :confused:

What are trichomes?

I don't smoke it with tobacco.

What's coffee got to do with anything?
 
Weed is stronger now than it was 18 years ago. Anyone who denies otherwise is a fool. Back in the late 80's all that was available (to me as a teenager anyway) was hash and shit commercial weed and very occasionally skunk. That all changed in the early 90's with the boom in hyrdoponics grow kits, mail order seeds and people homegrowing in a serious way - strong bud is all that seemed to be available after that. It was too strong for me, I used to just buy the tipleaf off my mates who were growing. Fuck knows what is available now, I haven't bought any for about 8 years.
 
TeeJay said:
Sorry I don't understand that last post. :confused:

What are trichomes?

I don't smoke it with tobacco.

What's coffee got to do with anything?

Good gawd, this is what the internet is for !

Trichomes are where 99 percent of the canabinoids are - it's what gets turned into hash. It's not at all clear from the literature that there is ANY THC at all in the leafy material.

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The coffee analogy is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who think that "soapbar" is actually "cannabis" and millions who think Nescafé is "coffee".

I suppose it might be said that it was rather bland coffee that was made yesterday and reheated ....
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poet said:
Aye, some hack's gone on the net and found some dodgy seed merchant bragging about their wares and taken their figures to be remotely factual. Yes, you could hypothetically coax some very good genetics in a very, very good hydro environment to yield 25% THC

As i tried to point out to toby on another thread (but he got his knickers in a twist), growing hydroponically is all about yeild, & yeild only. It has absolutely no affect on potency, or cannabinoid content.

Seed banks will slap any old rubbish about THC content on their seed packets to promote sales. Figures of 25% THC 46% THC are utter nonsense & is sales patter.

What are trichomes?

Sticky resin glands that the female plant produces to catch male pollen.
 
Mr.Bishie said:
Sticky resin glands that the female plant produces to catch male pollen.

er sorry but no - no one actually knows why cannabis plants exude cannabinoid-containing resin - possibly to protect the seeds from dessication but catching pollen that might otherwise pollinate the flowers would not be beneficial to the plant's survival !
 
gentlegreen said:
catching pollen that might otherwise pollinate the flowers would not be beneficial to the plant's survival !

If a female plant isn't pollinated how can it possibly produce seeds to enable its survival? Without pollination there would be extinction.

Trichomes are where 99 percent of the canabinoids are - It's not at all clear from the literature that there is ANY THC at all in the leafy material.

The "whole" female plant contains cannabinoids. Some landrace sativas don't produce many resin glands at all, but are high in potency. Stronger than any indoor bred Dutch hybrids ever will be.
 
Mr.Bishie said:
If a female plant isn't pollinated how can it possibly produce seeds to enable its survival?.

As with any other wind pollinated plant (or insect pollinated come to that) the pollen is not "attracted" to anything until it makes contact with the female flower parts when chemistry takes over. Plants produce way more pollen than is needed.

The "whole" female plant contains cannabinoids. Some landrace sativas don't produce many resin glands at all, but are high in potency. Stronger than any indoor bred Dutch hybrids ever will be.

No, they produce fewer trichomes but the cannabinoid balance is more towards THC.
If you look up "bubble hash" on the net you'll find that connoisseurs throw away the plant material no matter how "sativa" the plant is.
 
Blagsta said:
Weed is stronger now than it was 18 years ago. Anyone who denies otherwise is a fool. Back in the late 80's all that was available (to me as a teenager anyway) was hash and shit commercial weed and very occasionally skunk.

Real hash is, & always will be stronger than any commercially grown Dutch hybrids. You're not smoking any plant material when smoking real hash.

Landrace sativas have been growing for thousands of years & are far more potent than todays "skunk" ever will be. It's just that these plants are not accessable to all.

What research fails to mention time & time again in all this is, that commercially grown weed today may have far greater health implications due to organophosphates being used as pesticides & fungicides, not the cannabinoids themselves. OP's are deadly nerve poisons which may contribute to mental health problems in some smokers.

I'll try & dig the link up Blag, but there has been some research recently that suggests certain cannabinoids may actually help people with some forms of mental illnesses.
 
gentlegreen said:
As with any other wind pollinated plant (or insect pollinated come to that) the pollen is not "attracted" to anything until it makes contact with the female flower parts when chemistry takes over. Plants produce way more pollen than is needed.

Yes i know, but the reason a female cannabis plant (which relies on wind pollination) produces a sticky resin is to catch male pollen - to produce seeds for the survival of the species. It's a very clever mechanism in the plant world.


No, they produce fewer trichomes
If you look up "bubble hash" on the net you'll find that connoisseurs throw away the plant material no matter how "sativa" the plant is.

Oh gwad - fewer, not so many, it's the same to me.

And of course they throw away the plant material after it's been through the bubble bags after the trichs have been collected. But that doesn't mean to say that what is left over is "devoid" of any cannabinoids. The whole plant contains cannabinoids mate.
 
Blag - The full story is in the Journal 3/6/5 www.icnewcastle.co.uk - full story only available to subscribers, but i've been able to get a copy.

Cannabis Hope For Mental Illness:

Cannabis could be used to effectively treat illnesses such as manic depression and scizophrenia, according to a groundbreaking study by North-East scientists. Experts at Newcastle University believe spraying a form of the drug under the tongue could offer fresh hope to sufferers of mental health problems.

The findings contrast sharply with recent warnings that smoking cannabis can seriously damage mental health. A series of studies have linked the drug to psychosis and suggested it could trigger schizophrenia in people already at risk.

But prof Heather Ashton, who led the study by the Department of Psychiatry, said the medicinal use of the cannabis was "entirely separate" to recreational use of the drug. "If you are using known substances in known amounts rather than a mixture, you get definite effects", she said. "You don't get the associated risks. Recreational users of cannabis take much higher doses, and the mental effects of smoking cannabis are strongly related to the dosage taken. The higher it is, the more likely you are to have problems".

The Newcastle University review was undertaken by the Department of Psychology after anecdotal evidence from sufferers of bipolar disorders suggested taking cannabis could help. The scientists believe certain substances from the drug, known as cannabinoids, may hold sedative, antidepressant, antipsychotic effects. And they are now calling for a controlled study examining the properties of two specific substances - 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD).

Prof Ashton said: "Anecdotally, people with certain bipolar disorders, such as manic depression, say taking cannabis can help with their symptoms. If they are depressed it can bring them up, and if they are manic it can calm them down. They often say it is better than their usual medication, which is often a mixture of lithium. It works in a way but they hate it because it justs keeps them flat. We think it's worth trying, because treatment for schizophrenia and manic depression is not 100% what it could be. There's room for improvement. CBD is a very interesting drug which seems to have anti-psychotic properties. If you use the right combination it could well be therapeutic".

The university team is hoping lead the study, which is likely to be held in Canada. A firm specialising in cannabis-based medication is lending support. The government was strongly condemned by mental health campaigners after downgrading the drug from a Class B classification to Class C. It is thought fashionable, and more potent forms of the drug, such as Skunk, can lead to serious mental health problems, such as schizophrenia. Home Secretary Charles Clarke has since asked Sir Michael Rawlings, chairman of the Advisory Councul on the misuse of Drugs, to conduct a review into the drug. he is professor of clinical pharmacology at Newcastle University.

Dr Philip Robson, director of the Cannabis Research Institute, and clinical director of GW Pharmaceuticals, which developed a cannabis treatment for multiple sclerosis, described the university review as 'cutting edge'. He said "I don't think anyone else is working on treating mental illness with cannabis extracts. They are possibly the leaders on this. We are in contact with them. The plan is to collaborate with the study that they are going to do. It is not being sponsored by GW, but we are looking at it. We are offering our support, and if something comes from this we will certainly be interested".

GW Pharaceuticals recently gained a licence to market cannabis-based spray Sativex, which helps sufferers of MS, in Canada. They are now hoping licence will be granted for its use in the UK. GW spokesman, Mark Rogers, said: "It would not be the first time in medicine that a substance in one form or dosage could harm you, and in another form of dosage could do you good. It's not unusual for something to have both beneficial and adverse effects".
 
I was just speaking to Heather Ashton last week, she was really helpful, a real nice lady, even if she has got the haircut time forgot.

Is there any research into whether these supposed mental illnesses disappear when the weed is withdrawn?
 
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