Pakistan hit by US Air Strike

[TAE]

"Quoting intelligence sources, US media said it was a CIA raid. The US military says it is not aware of any operations taking place in the Bajaur tribal area.

The BBC's Zaffar Abbas in Karachi says tribesmen there are convinced the strike was the work of the Americans and are very angry at the cross-border attack.

Jets reportedly fired missiles at a particular housing compound in the village, which may have been an al-Qaeda hideout, our correspondent says."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4608784.stm

On TV, pakistani information minister said he comdemned the attack, which is said to have killed women and children.

See also:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/13/border.attack.ap/index.html




So it seems that the US are quite happy to execute air strikes against friendly countries. Just hope that there are no suspected AQ hideouts in your neighbourhood.

 

[rogue yam]

Jets reportedly fired missiles at a particular housing compound in the village, which may have been an al-Qaeda hideout, our correspondent says."

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So it seems that the US are quite happy to execute air strikes against friendly countries. Just hope that there are no suspected AQ hideouts in your neighbourhood.

I'm not sure how "friendly" the Northwest Frontier Provinces are these days. My guess is "not very". I hope we got al-Zawahiri. The wailing and rending of garments here on u75 will be a delight to behold.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I'm not sure how "friendly" the Northwest Frontier Provinces are these days. My guess is "not very". I hope we got al-Zawahiri. The wailing and rending of garments here on u75 will be a delight to behold.

Rogue Yam. This is getting tiresome now. You turn up to posture and preen but you can't back up any of your arguments with facts.

And why would there be the wailing and rending of garments on U75 over this? People on here are intellegent enough to have informed themselves about the situaiton in PK and also are more than likely to have spoken to people directly who understand thesituaion first hand.

See my comments on PK on another thread.

Now info please - If I can have the good manners to give you an ISBN for where I'm getting some of my info surely you can have a similar level of manners?

 

[TAE]

I'm not sure how "friendly" the Northwest Frontier Provinces are these days. My guess is "not very". I hope we got al-Zawahiri. The wailing and rending of garments here on u75 will be a delight to behold.

WTF are you on? Pakistan is one of your allies - and your military has bombed a pakistan village.

The only wailing I hear is for the innocent men, women and children who were killed.

Let me get this straight, you are in favour of the US, without consulting the affected governments, bombing villages of non-hostile countries where AQ members are thought to be? I assume you'd be just as happy to bomb the english town of Luton, or the german town of Hamburg?

And you claim the US does not break any agreements or international law. What a joke.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

WTF are you on?

The only wailing I hear is for the innocent men, women and children who were killed.

Pakistan is one of your allies - and your military has bombed a pakistan village.

Let me get this straight, you are in favour of the US, without consulting the affected governments, bombing villages of non-hostile countries where AQ members are thought to be? I assume you'd be just as happy to bomb the english town of Luton, or the german town of Hamburg?

And you claim the US does not break any agreements or international law. What a joke.

I don't think he is on anything (except that wonderful virtual secure unit known as Free Republic ) but he is one of those sad chickenhawks who get hardons at the thought of people being bombed - not that he would put himself in the fireing line of course - he is too frightened even to put up a list of nations that have been liberated by the USA in case it gets criticised by all us residents of 'the degenerate Eurabian continent'

 

[rogue yam]

WTF are you on? Pakistan is one of your allies - and your military has bombed a pakistan village.

<snip>

Let me get this straight, you are in favour of the US, without consulting the affected governments, bombing villages of non-hostile countries where AQ members are thought to be? I assume you'd be just as happy to bomb the english town of Luton, or the german town of Hamburg?

And you claim the US does not break any agreements or international law. What a joke.

You are deranged. First of all, the Pakistani government has limited sway in the NWFP, bombing there (just a few miles from the Paki-Afghan "border") is quite different from doing so in Pakistan proper. Second, why assume that the Paki government was not consulted? Because they (the Pakis) are acting somewhat outraged over the raid? You must be completely unfamiliar with the double-dealings that characterize the Paki govt. You compare Pakistan's NWFP to England and Germany because you are stupid, dishonest, and insane. If some A.Q. big was hiding out in one of those two we would simply tip off the local police and have the miscreants arrested and then Gitmo his ass. This is a lot harder to do in the shadow of the Hindu Kush. Finally, what "international law" forbids the United States from whacking al-Zarwahiri? We are at war with Al Quaeda and he is their #2 man. He is a dead man walking, if he's not already simply a dead man.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

You are deranged. First of all, the Pakistani government has limited sway in the NWFP, bombing there (just a few miles from the Paki-Afghan "border") is quite different from doing so in Pakistan proper. Second, why assume that the Paki government was not consulted? Because they (the Pakis) are acting somewhat outraged over the raid? You must be completely unfamiliar with the double-dealings that characterize the Paki govt. You compare Pakistan's NWFP to England and Germany because you are stupid, dishonest, and insane. If some A.Q. big was hiding out in one of those two we would simply tip off the local police and have the miscreants arrested and then Gitmo his ass. This is a lot harder to do in the shadow of the Hindu Kush. Finally, what "international law" forbids the United States from whacking al-Zarwahiri? We are at war with Al Quaeda and he is their #2 man. He is a dead man walking, if he's not already simply a dead man.

Were is my answers Rogue Yam.


Cut the posturing and say something intellegent. Oh I forgot you can't all you can do is froth at the mouth and call other more informed posters 'deranged'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm not sure how "friendly" the Northwest Frontier Provinces are these days. My guess is "not very".

Same as ever. Pakistan only really lays claim to their uncontrollable frontier when they can make political capital from it

I hope we got al-Zawahiri. The wailing and rending of garments here on u75 will be a delight to behold.

You really are a politically ignorant little pukebag, aren't you?

The last time I saw such stupidity and naivety rolled into one persona must have been....oh, the last time some freeper sack of shit slimed across these boards.

Oh, and what's with the "we"? Aligned yourself with the feats of your state again? Pity you don't have a big enough pair to even dream of participating in those feats, isn't it, my little chickenhawk?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Were is my answers Rogue Yam.


Cut the posturing and say something intellegent. Oh I forgot you can't all you can do is froth at the mouth and call other more informed posters 'deranged'.

Fixed your car already?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Same as ever. Pakistan only really lays claim to their uncontrollable frontier when they can make political capital from it

You really are a politically ignorant little pukebag, aren't you?

The last time I saw such stupidity and naivety rolled into one persona must have been....oh, the last time some freeper sack of shit slimed across these boards.

Oh, and what's with the "we"? Aligned yourself with the feats of your state again? Pity you don't have a big enough pair to even dream of participating in those feats, isn't it, my little chickenhawk?

VP - call his bluff - ask him for some referencable facts watch him squirm.

When I get tired of reading RY"s rabid freeper rantings I"ll go and have a read of David Icke - makes more sense to be honest.

Unfortunately in wrapping himself in the flag RY has inadvertantly blindfolded himself and covered his ears as well.

I"ve done EVERYTHING to get him to back up his assertions but still nada, zilch, zero, nothing. I've even called him a liar and he hasn't even got the balls to come back at me and refute this by bringing the info I requested.

Cluck cluck RY.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Fixed your car already?

I'm waiting for the exaust filler to dry.

 

[TAE]

You are deranged.

Drop the insults.

First of all, the Pakistani government has limited sway in the NWFP, bombing there (just a few miles from the Paki-Afghan "border") is quite different from doing so in Pakistan proper.

So what? It is still Pakistani territory.

Second, why assume that the Paki government was not consulted? Because they (the Pakis) are acting somewhat outraged over the raid? You must be completely unfamiliar with the double-dealings that characterize the Paki govt.

Why assume they were consulted? They have stated that they are against such air strikes, do you have any proof that this is not the case?
Do you really expect people to take such unsubstantiated accusations seriously?

You compare Pakistan's NWFP to England and Germany because you are stupid, dishonest, and insane.

Drop the insults. They are meaningless.

If some A.Q. big was hiding out in one of those two we would simply tip off the local police and have the miscreants arrested and then Gitmo his ass. This is a lot harder to do in the shadow of the Hindu Kush.

So if tipping off the local police were not an option for some reason (let's say they were in a remote mountain region and there was a danger of fleeing) you would be in favour of bombing a NATO member without their permission?

Finally, what "international law" forbids the United States from whacking al-Zarwahiri? We are at war with Al Quaeda and he is their #2 man. He is a dead man walking, if he's not already simply a dead man.

You are not at war with Pakistan, and you do not have the right to bomb whatever village you please. Read the UN charter, to which you are a signatory.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm waiting for the exaust filler to dry.

I remember doing that one myself a few times, used to have a little "exhaust first aid" kit in the boot with filler, tinfoil, kaowool padding and jubilee clips. Worked like a charm!

 

[ViolentPanda]

So what? It is still Pakistani territory.

Only really in name.

Even when my grandfather was serving up there in the 1930s it was "out of bounds" except for large and heavily-armed forces, and it's fair to say that the Pakistani government adopt much the same attitude. In fact they never go in at less than company strength, and then usually in APCs or choppers.

Still, at least that means that they still grow good weed there!

 

[TAE]

Sounds a bit like armagh in northern ireland.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I remember doing that one myself a few times, used to have a little "exhaust first aid" kit in the boot with filler, tinfoil, kaowool padding and jubilee clips. Worked like a charm!

I find a double layer of Stella cans works a treat. Going to get myself a complete new exaust at the end of Jan. Should only cost me about 50 quid.

Have you noticed that Tater Head is still online but has gone bit quiet again?

What sort of person is he to be caught out and accused of lying, who can't bring info he has been asked for nicely and who continues to post drivel on other subjects rather than answer a sensible question. You'd think that he would at least defend himself.


It's not just me there are other very well informed posters on here who have tackled him and get no joy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sounds a bit like armagh in northern ireland.

Good comparison, "bandit country" is about right.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I find a double layer of Stella cans works a treat. Going to get myself a complete new exaust at the end of Jan. Should only cost me about 50 quid.

Sweet.

Of course, if you got pulled over for a roadside vehicle check and they looked underneath, the coppers might get a bit worried at seeing lager cans on yer car.

Have you noticed that Tater Head is still online but has gone bit quiet again?

What sort of person is he to be caught out and accused of lying, who can't bring info he has been asked for nicely and who continues to post drivel on other subjects rather than answer a sensible question. You'd think that he would at least defend himself.


It's not just me there are other very well informed posters on here who have tackled him and get no joy.

It's like pbman, any difficulties and he'd resort to a , with this schmendrick he just goes quiet.

And yes, loads of us have tackled him, and all we get (if anything) is his standard insults and bullshitting.

He's a hollow vessel.

 

[TAE]

Good comparison, "bandit country" is about right.

I think the british government would have objected to the french air force dropping a bunch of bombs over british claimed territory.

 

[nino_savatte]

You are deranged. First of all, the Pakistani government has limited sway in the NWFP, bombing there (just a few miles from the Paki-Afghan "border") is quite different from doing so in Pakistan proper. Second, why assume that the Paki government was not consulted? Because they (the Pakis) are acting somewhat outraged over the raid? You must be completely unfamiliar with the double-dealings that characterize the Paki govt. You compare Pakistan's NWFP to England and Germany because you are stupid, dishonest, and insane. If some A.Q. big was hiding out in one of those two we would simply tip off the local police and have the miscreants arrested and then Gitmo his ass. This is a lot harder to do in the shadow of the Hindu Kush. Finally, what "international law" forbids the United States from whacking al-Zarwahiri? We are at war with Al Quaeda and he is their #2 man. He is a dead man walking, if he's not already simply a dead man.

So just to get this straight: there were no innocent lives lost in the air strike - is that correct? Is that because you think "they all look the same"?

 

[spring-peeper]

Poor Pakistan.

First the earthquake and now this.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

So just to get this straight: there were no innocent lives lost in the air strike - is that correct? Is that because you think "they all look the same"?

I noticed that he's using the word 'Paki' to describe the inhabitants of Pakistan. I wonder if he has bothered to inform himself of acceptable usages of words - or does he even care.

 

[Dandred]

I noticed that he's using the word 'Paki' to describe the inhabitants of Pakistan. I wonder if he has bothered to inform himself of acceptable usages of words - or does he even care.

By using "paki" he has shown himself to be a poor, probably British troll.

 

[oi2002]

... We are at war with Al Quaeda and he is their #2 man. He is a dead man walking, if he's not already simply a dead man.

DC has done this before. Its a pity innocents have been killed but frankly I've little quarrel with it. The likes of al-Zarwahiri are very dangerous men whose victims are mostly innocent fellow Muslims.

Pakistan will be outraged of course. I'd not be sure if that's theatre for its Bin Laden loving population or if DC plays its cards close to its chest so the ISI does not tip of its Jihadi chums of a coming air strike. DC has been baffeling timid in it's pursuit of AQ into Pakistan. This afterall is a malign occasionally genocidal, military dictatorship that has trafficked in nuclear weapons, which in practice shelters active terrorists and has become refuge for men who were instrumental in 9-11 and remain a threat to the US.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

By using "paki" he has shown himself to be a poor, probably British troll.

No he's in California -- San Fransisco to be precise. He is one of those dodgy Freeper trolls.

Check the Iran / Thread there is link to his Free Republic postings. Nice people he hangs round with -- not.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I noticed that he's using the word 'Paki' to describe the inhabitants of Pakistan. I wonder if he has bothered to inform himself of acceptable usages of words - or does he even care.

It's not as if his president wasn't told in no uncertain terms back in 2001 that "paki" isn't acceptable to the Pakistani people or the state.

Going by some of the shit a person with the same name has posted on "FreakRepublic" then the obnoxious fuck is probably being deliberately provocative.

 

[spring-peeper]

The term "paki" does not have the same impact in the Americas as it does in the UK.

I would suggest that you accept that this was a cultural difference, and now that he has been informed of the situation, will pay more attention to his terms.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

The term "paki" does not have the same impact in the Americas as it does in the UK.

I would suggest that you accept that this was a cultural difference, and now that he has been informed of the situation, will pay more attention to his terms.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

 

[Dandred]

No he's in California -- San Fransisco to be precise. He is one of those dodgy Freeper trolls.

Check the Iran / Thread there is link to his Free Republic postings. Nice people he hangs round with -- not.

I was expecting him to be from another site, true conservatism.

still same bullshit.

Didn't think us people used paki.

 

[MikeMcc]

Just a purely speculative idea:

Might it be possible that it could be an element within the Pakistani military that could have carried this out. They get rid of someone who is troublesome to them, it stirs up anger against the US allowing them to look good to the Pakistani people by getting all upset by it, and if anyone makes a fuss domestically it gives them an excuse to tighten up security in the area. They even have US weapons so that that if they were seen from the ground it looks like the Americans.

I agree it's probably the Americans being bloody stupid again though.