Paedophilia and morality

[untethered]

Most moral systems accept the notion of wrong thoughts as well as wrong actions, not just religiously-based ones.

There is a necessary connection between thoughts and actions. The non-"active" paedophile's relationships with children will necessarily be affected and most probably damaged by a persistent and impulsive desire to use those children for sexual gratification. We could perhaps construe a "high-functioning" paedophile that therefore tries very hard to avoid situations where he has the opportunity to exploit children or even to interact with them at all. But this in itself would be a limitation on his normal participation in society. It does harm, even if it's not the extreme and obvious harm that sexual abuse causes.

I suggest we consider an analogy with various forms of prejudice. The person with racist beliefs may not commit any overtly racist crimes or offences, yet we are entitled to suspect that their dealings with people of other races are likely to be less good than they would be otherwise.

 

[max_freakout]

I think having sex with animals and childrens is wrong

I thought that paedophiles who knew that they were in the wrong could get themselves chemically castrated, which would kill their sexual urges altogether

They would obviously still be seriously messed up in the head, but surely if you felt the urge to harm children in such a way, then it is morally wrong to put your own well being above that of an infant

what about beıng a paedophıle, but never ın your lıfe actıng out your sexualıty on a chıld? ıs fantasızıng about havıng sex wıth chıldren wrong? ıs watchıng cartoon paedo porn wrong?

 

[DotCommunist]

Most moral systems accept the notion of wrong thoughts as well as wrong actions, not just religiously-based ones.

There is a necessary connection between thoughts and actions. The non-"active" paedophile's relationships with children will necessarily be affected and most probably damaged by a persistent and impulsive desire to use those children for sexual gratification. We could perhaps construe a "scout master/priest" paedophile that therefore tries very hard to avoid situations where he has the opportunity to exploit children or even to interact with them at all. But this in itself would be a limitation on his normal participation in society. It does harm, even if it's not the extreme and obvious harm that sexual abuse causes.

I suggest we consider an analogy with various forms of prejudice. The person with racist beliefs may not commit any overtly racist crimes or offences, yet we are entitled to suspect that their dealings with people of other races are likely to be less good than they would be otherwise.

fix-ed

 

[untethered]

fix-ed

Do grow up, there's a good boy.

 

[DotCommunist]

Do grow up, there's a good boy.

Do accept that the authority structures you so love are capable of fostering, and actually conducive to abusers, theres a good bigot

 

[untethered]

Do accept that the authority structures you so love are capable an actually conducive to abusers, theres a good bigot

I suppose you'd include the family in that too, wouldn't you? After all, that's where most paedophile activity happens.

If it's all the same to you, I'll defend the family while ensuring that there are good safeguards against the abuse of authority wherever it happens and suitable punishments for offenders.

 

[isitme]

what about beıng a paedophıle, but never ın your lıfe actıng out your sexualıty on a chıld? ıs fantasızıng about havıng sex wıth chıldren wrong? ıs watchıng cartoon paedo porn wrong?

Personally, I'm a strong believer in Materialism in that sort of situation

If he is watching paedo porn, then he is in some way contributing to that industry, which is wrong (same goes for all porn in my view)

But I don't think someone having 'ill' thoughts is morally wrong, I have some really sick thoughts and ideas. I think most people do, like people were saying about fantasising about murder etc, it's just how our brains work, daydreaming is what keeps people sane

Is fantasising about cheating on your wife morally wrong? etc etc

 

[max_freakout]

If he is watching paedo porn,

ı saıd cartoon paedo porn

 

[DotCommunist]

I suppose you'd include the family in that too, wouldn't you? After all, that's where most paedophile activity happens.

If it's all the same to you, I'll defend the family while ensuring that there are good safeguards against the abuse of authority wherever it happens and suitable punishments for offenders.

yes yes, do so. The family unit is subject to the same laws againt abuse as the homes for Care kids. While you are busy defending the family I'll rail against how the care system fucks kids up in ways Larkin couldn't dream of.

The suitable punishments already exist. Jail, followed by close scrutiny not enough for ya? I know you don't endorse judicial murder so what would you have?

You are with me on the abolition of central authority, surely?

 

[isitme]

ı saıd cartoon paedo porn

It's still a bit wrong, but there is a scary amount of it on the internet, personally I am repulsed by it, it's still porn.

It does seem to me that the insane availability of porn these days does people a lot of bad in general, but I don't feel qualified to comment on that particular kettle of fish...

 

[max_freakout]

ıf there wasnt ınternet porn, ı dont know what ı would do! sınce mrs freakout lıves ın a dıfferent country from me....

 

[isitme]

ıf there wasnt ınternet porn, ı dont know what ı would do! sınce mrs freakout lıves ın a dıfferent country from me....

You would probably end up going out on the pull...

 

[i-am-your-idea]

nothing is wrong. * see nothing thread

so wrong!!!

(but not incorrect)

 

[gorski]

Ahem... This Roman Catholic shit... Yayks!

And where does it come from? Judaism! I mean, have they foisted that one on us or what...?!?

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife!" is not humanly possible!!! What a way to create sinners out of all of us...

We all have such desires but the real difference between Humans is in acting on those desires/thoughts or not, as the case may be.

Angels, the non-corporeal beings, might not have desires - but we do. We don't choose them, they just appear out of the blue; we see and the desire comes on its own... No big deal, one would have thought. But then... Here comes Mother Church... And I don't mean Charlotte, who's really intellectually and spiritually NOT desirable... But given the right circumstances... Who'd say "no" to her in the end, given being a singleton, for instance, as immature and as stupid as she appears to be?

Speaking of that: in the Balkans the two fundamental values coloured everything. Namely, Humanity and Heroism.

One's Heroism commands one to defend oneself [and others] from harm.

On the other hand, one's Humanity direct one to defend the other from oneself.

In that sense, forcing oneself or manipulating a minor towards having sex with him/her, even though one knows that minor is not ready, in any way, for such a relationship... Well, need I say more...?

The limit has to be there, there is no other way that is in any way even demi-serious... Whether it's 16 or a year up or down depends on many things. Some, of course, are not ready even much later and some mature sooner than that... But...

[discuss...]

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

But the sexual impulse may be stronger than most urges to commit violence ... and with violence there's the very real fear of getting hurt back ... whereas the sexual impulse tends to involve positive feedback / escalation.

Maybe. Once you act on the impulse and commit a crime, you've crossed the moral boundary.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I've often thought of throttling you mid-prononcement. I'd never go so far as to fly to Canada and try it.

By the same token, if I looked like Angelina Jolie [or the suitable male equivalent if you're gay], you might have thought of flying over to try and fuck me, but you probably wouldn't do that either.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I've watched interviews with paedophiles, and clearly there's something missing, and then there's the factor of continuously having to rationalise something that in their hearts they know is wrong, .

But I think that's the point. Pedophiles aren't often amenable to rehabilitation etc because in their hearts, they think there's nothing wrong with what they're doing.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Most moral systems accept the notion of wrong thoughts as well as wrong actions, not just religiously-based ones.

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Which ones?

 

[Frankie Jack]

Was going to write my thoughts on this disturbing post.. but thought better of it..

Do you have any children Max Freakout..??

I think not or you would not have even asked any question about paedophilia..

I think.. and it may well be only me.. that paedophiles have a sexual attraction to children because they see children from a point of view sexually where they have the control on their own sexuality that they cannot satisfy with adult relationships.. I think it's a control issue that is the problem..

Dominating sexual powerful controlling satisfaction over young beings who.... ...

What the hell are you asking these questions for anway.. ???? !!!!!


Fucksake..!!!

If you have children put the effort into protecting them from these monsters... not asking questions about them.... !!!!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I suggest we consider an analogy with various forms of prejudice. The person with racist beliefs may not commit any overtly racist crimes or offences, yet we are entitled to suspect that their dealings with people of other races are likely to be less good than they would be otherwise.

'Less good'? What does that mean?

Unlike you, I believe in freedom of thought. I've said on the boards before, that a racist can think whatever dirty little thoughts they like inside their head, so long as none of it seeps out into overt action.

 

[isitme]

But I think that's the point. Pedophiles aren't often amenable to rehabilitation etc because in their hearts, they think there's nothing wrong with what they're doing.

bollocks

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I suppose you'd include the family in that too, wouldn't you? After all, that's where most paedophile activity happens.

If it's all the same to you, I'll defend the family while ensuring that there are good safeguards against the abuse of authority wherever it happens and suitable punishments for offenders.

Well something is wrong with 'the families' in which the abuse is taking place, wouldn't you say?

I love it when people trot out ideas like 'the family'. You can just hear the glorious music playing inside their heads when they do.

 

[isitme]

Well something is wrong with 'the families' in which the abuse is taking place, wouldn't you say?

I love it when people trot out ideas like 'the family'. You can just hear the glorious music playing inside their heads when they do.

All families are fucked up

Do you think you would be told if one of your family was a beast?

Since you seem to have absolutely everything together, your famly probably wouldn't want to tell you that your nephew who you used to be best friends with turned out to be a rapist

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I think.. and it may well be only me.. that paedophiles have a sexual attraction to children because they see children from a point of view sexually where they have the control on their own sexuality that they cannot satisfy with adult relationships.. I think it's a control issue that is the problem..

Dominating sexual powerful controlling satisfaction over young beings who.... ...
!

But that would be wrong. Pedophiles tend to be people whose sexuality never developed to a point where they find adults attractive, nor want nor are able to form sexual bonds with them. To a pedophile, they themselves are like a child inside, sexually, and they see nothing wrong with sexual contact with their 'peers'.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

All families are fucked up

Do you think you would be told if one of your family was a beast?

Since you seem to have absolutely everything together, your famly probably wouldn't want to tell you that your nephew who you used to be best friends with turned out to be a rapist

You actually don't know anything about my family, do you?

 

[isitme]

Did you know that you are one of the few predator species, that preys even on itself

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Did you know that you are one of the few predator species, that preys even on itself

Who: me personally?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Btw, that's wrong. Lots of species prey on themselves.

Just ask the baby-chimp-eating chimps.

 

[Frankie Jack]

I did say that it was my belief JC.. not a psychoanalytical one.. It's a point of view of a parent who cannot understand why there has been.. is.. or should be an understanding of the sexuality of an adult who sees children in a sexual manner..

Does all the discussions about the whys wherefors or even the morality make paedophilia more understandable.. or should the perpetrators hear a resounding.. " NO.. It's not acceptable AT ALL" and psychoanalists and armchair philosophers realise a line should be drawn rather than open ended discussions...

All the discussions and contemplations all over the world cannot tell a child who has been abused that there's a reason behind what happened to them..

The child is the one who has to deal with the aftermath of being abused... and that childs carers..

Understanding why it happened should go towards prevention.. and preventative measures.. extreme as they may well have to be...

This is only my opinion though.. as a parent...

I too want to know why... I aslo want to make sure it STOPS...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I did say that it was my belief JC.. not a psychoanalytical one.. It's a point of view of a parent who cannot understand why there has been.. is.. or should be an understanding of the sexuality of an adult who sees children in a sexual manner.. .

I'm a parent also. It doesn't mean that I throw my brain out the window.

If someone abused one of my children, I'd kill them. But I at least recognize that this is an emotional reaction that arises from my parenthood, and that the laws of a whole society can't be based on those intense personal emotions.