Paedo Mania!!! - Is something dark lurking in the obsession?

[nino_savatte]

[for nino..]

If you mean "abused" becomes "abuser" yes i have heard of that theory .. not nice .. well none of it is nice ..

There is paranioa undoubtedly, my child's school sent out letters ordering none of us to bring cameras to the school play unless we had received permission by ALL the parents involved in case their children were also in our photographs, luckily in our case common sense ruled, all the parents (APART from me who is a very keen photographer but who feared action from parents and school) all came with their cameras and vidocams with a fingers up attitude to the school who .. predictably .. did absolutely nothing ..

.. made my blood boil though that ..

Sure, this reminds me of that woman newsreader whose local photo processor reported her to the police for taking snaps of here kids in the bath.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thanks for that. I also remember seeing something on BBC News about a group of 'concerned citizens' in Southampton who were walking about the streets of their estate looking for 'paedos'.

Portsmouth.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Nino, prepare yourself for the inevitable onslaught of posters saying 'oh but we can't possibly criticise the working classes going out to look for 'nonces' ' Sorry a wanker is a wanker is a wanker no matter what class they are.

The trouble is these 'peado hunts' inevitably end up catching no peados but end up in attacks on any one who is 'different' in some way.

And anyone immature enough to think that such scapegoating only goes on in working class communities probably believes that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary either.

The only difference is that "paedo hunts" in w/c communities are newsworthy, whereas the same thing in m/c communities, where the representatives of the media themselves live, are underplayed but probably more insidious.

 

[dash]

Those are two very different things and your ignorance is beginning to grate.

In what way are they necessarily different, if the motivations might be the same in both case?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sure, this reminds me of that woman newsreader whose local photo processor reported her to the police for taking snaps of here kids in the bath.

Not as if Boots are particularly good for photo-processing either.

BTW, 'twas Julia Somerville.

 

[ViolentPanda]

In what way are they necessarily different, if the motivations might be the same in both case?

What you're positing is that someone might have seen the sketch you refer to and acted out of a humourous impulse.

That's fair enough, but it's equally possible that said perpetrator might have read a story in his red/her red-top and have done it out of a combination of ignorance and anger.

 

[nino_savatte]

Not as if Boots are particularly good for photo-processing either.

BTW, 'twas Julia Somerville.

True and ta for the name too.

 

[nino_savatte]

In what way are they necessarily different, if the motivations might be the same in both case?

See VP's post.

 

[nino_savatte]

Portsmouth.

D'oh! They're close...but not that close!

 

[dash]

That's fair enough, but it's equally possible that said perpetrator might have read a story in his red/her red-top and have done it out of a combination of ignorance and anger.

Quite true. Am just curious about the story, as it is very frequently quoted when people mention the wave of anti-paedophile protests which occurred, and some elements of it approach urban myth status, eg versions where the paedriatrician is physically attacked and so on - supposedly proof of the unreasonableness and ignorance of 'some people'.

The reality of what happened is of course much less dramatic.

 

[phildwyer]

I am surprised that the media don't have any real pressing moral panics to latch onto (presumably they're bored rigid with cannabis stories). Does anyone remember the story of how some woman paediatrician was subjected to abuse because some illiterate tabloid-reading group of twats decided that the word "paediatrician" was the same as "paedophile"?

This alleged 'incident' was long aso exposed as an urban myth. Nino is being either ignorant or malicious by repeating this hoary canard.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

The incident as originally reported.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

This alleged 'incident' was long aso exposed as an urban myth. Nino is being either ignorant or malicious by repeating this hoary canard.

To be fair, there was something behind it, albeit not very much.

This was quite an interesting thread and it'd be good if you and nino didn't have one of your spats on it, thereby rendering it useless to everyone else.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

The incident as originally reported.

Lets face it we live in the land of the voluntarily stupid. We've had 60 years of free education the like of which would be a treated as a great boon by other parts of the world that suffer from lack of education provision yet we produce people who cant tell the difference between peadiatrician and paedophile. No wonder when an employer is faced with the choice of employing a Polish national or employing a Brit the employer would employ the Pole because we are the village idiots of the EU.

 

[dash]

Thank for you clearing that up, Donna Ferentes.

Nino: your recollection of the incident is closer to the truth than my own, and can't now see how it could have been intended as a joke.

 

[refugee]

This alleged 'incident' was long aso exposed as an urban myth. Nino is being either ignorant or malicious by repeating this hoary canard.

No it wasn't. Overplayed, perhaps.

 

[Idris2002]

My Da was a paediatrician, until those swine worked him to death. . .

And he had to do a *lot* of child protection work. But I digress.

When I heard of released paedophiles being billeted on council estates, the first thing I thought of was how, if you live in the United States and want to have a toxic or nuclear waste dump sited next to where you live, your best bet is to be a Native American.

So, as I saw it at the time, the people on the estates protesting against 'paedophiles' were at the same time protesting against their social exclusion and stigmatisation (the estates-dwellers, not the paedophiles, obviously).

It's a pity they couldn't have found something more positive and productive, but I'm not going to slag them for fighting back.

Also - was there any evidence that the state had any serious, workable plans for keeping an eye on these people once they'd been released into the community?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I dissent. I think while there was an aspect to which (a) these people were being dumped on and (b) the reaction to them bore traces of class snobbery, nevertheless what they were doing was less "fighting back" and more hysteria. At best it displaced a protest against social exclusion. It reminded me of the way that when prisoners revolt, they will often combine protest against intolerable living conditions and brutality with physical attacks on the "nonces". Do we really need to stay silent about the latter to support the former?

 

[Idris2002]

I dissent. I think while there was an aspect to which (a) these people were being dumped on and (b) the reaction to them bore traces of class snobbery, nevertheless what they were doing was less "fighting back" and more hysteria. At best it displaced a protest against social exclusion. It reminded me of the way that when prisoners revolt, they will often combine protest against intolerable living conditions and brutality with physical attacks on the "nonces". Do we really need to stay silent about the latter to support the former?

Well, everything up to your last line is what I was trying to get at when I said it was a pity they couldn't find more productive outlets for their rage.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Well, everything up to your last line is what I was trying to get at when I said it was a pity they couldn't find more productive outlets for their rage.

So you did, but the thing is that I don't think they were "fighting back" as such and I do think we should "slag them" (in a sense).

 

[Idris2002]

Well, they were fighting back the only way they knew how.

And if, as I suspect, the paedophiles were posted to these areas without consultation with the local community, and without any plan to keep them under surveillance and control, then I think people would be justified in resisting the state, and that refusing to allow the placement of paedophiles in their areas would be a form of resistance.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This alleged 'incident' was long aso exposed as an urban myth. Nino is being either ignorant or malicious by repeating this hoary canard.

Given that the incident did actually take place (albeit in a less sensationalistic way than was reported. See Df's link) then it looks like you're the person being either ignorant or malicious, dwyer.

Pretty much "business as usual" for you, though.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

So you did, but the thing is that I don't think they were "fighting back" as such and I do think we should "slag them" (in a sense).

I agree with you there. The paedo hunt wasn't fighting back against the state it was just a mindless mob.

 

[phildwyer]

I dissent. I think while there was an aspect to which (a) these people were being dumped on and (b) the reaction to them bore traces of class snobbery

I thought the "paediatrician" myth was an anti-Welsh thing at the time--and it seems I was right.

 

[Idris2002]

A mob it certainly was, I'm not convinced it was entirely mindless, however.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Mobs are rarely mindless (see George Rudé's work, for instance). But mob behaviour is nevertheless shameful and stupid.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I dissent. I think while there was an aspect to which (a) these people were being dumped on and (b) the reaction to them bore traces of class snobbery, nevertheless what they were doing was less "fighting back" and more hysteria. At best it displaced a protest against social exclusion. It reminded me of the way that when prisoners revolt, they will often combine protest against intolerable living conditions and brutality with physical attacks on the "nonces". Do we really need to stay silent about the latter to support the former?

I think that if you compare the coverage of, say, the Paulsgrove (a "working class" council estate as the press dubbed it) demos with the likes of the demos by middle class residents of Bedford Hill in Balham when Wandsworth council proposed a hostel/halfway house for sex offenders (that's "sex offenders" as a generic type, not specifically paedophiles), where there were similar occurrences such as protestors having their kiddies holding posters with anti-paedophile slogans, mothers with prams/pushchairs protesting outside council offices etc, then "traces of class snobbery" is somewhat of an understatement.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Well, understatement's what I do, Mr Panda. Being a middle-class English gentleman.

 

[nino_savatte]

This alleged 'incident' was long aso exposed as an urban myth. Nino is being either ignorant or malicious by repeating this hoary canard.

Ah, true to form, the bully can't resist his classic "nino is being ignorant" schtick.

You know, for a so-called academic, you don't half behave like a spoiled child who can't get his own way.

If you think you can bully me, think again but remember this: I know something that you don't know.

It seems other posters have come along and shot your 'argument' down in flames. LOL!!! I feel sorry for your students...or are they the sort that are easily impressed with florid (but ultimately meaningless) language?

The ego has landed.

 

[nino_savatte]

I thought the "paediatrician" myth was an anti-Welsh thing at the time--and it seems I was right.

Er, no it wasn't, Bully Beef. I demand that you provide proof for this 'thesis'.

Fool.