Padilla convicted of federal terrorism charges

[Ungrateful]

I haven't got a smidgen of patriotism for any country in me, but I still can't believe someone who appears to be an American/Israeli dual citizen is lecturing about how dismal race relations in the UK are...

Clearly the UK and the US both have enormous problems with racism within their borders, which produced and is generated by their Imperial policies -- and no doubt influences their current colonial adventures, but few on here support such policies or excuse this past.

But their are some on this thread who do defend racist societies. What I wonder, does Rachamim make of a society in which 75% of the students from the dominant ethnic group considers that members of the main minority community to be 'uneducated, uncivilized, unclean'. And that 57% of the minority community believe the same of the majority community.

Is this not a deeply, and repugnantly racist society? Isn't there something fundamentally wrong with an educational, social, economic and political system that generates such racist attitudes? Would Rachamim condemn such a society, and the dominant structures which produce it? Perhaps not as, obviously, it's Israel we're talking about.

And the report on Jewish students' attitudes comes from Ynet.com, which I doubt David Horowitz or Melanie Philips, never mind Rachamim, could spin as antisemitic.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Are yo slow? Of course I do not thinlk your mom named you any susch thing. See, my point,w hich you have just oroved (thanks) is that you do not even have the maturity to post under your real name when sniping at people. Call me a troll while you hide? Got it.

As for the synopisis fo Jewish History in the UK, care to tell us which part(s) are lies?

Actually, lynchings are neither American or missing from your history. In fact, people have been hung as long as rope existed and your people brought it to the New World. Finally, if you continue to hide behind ad homes, thrown from a fake screen name, and avoid any and all facts, I will have to being ignoring you again. This forum, neigh this site, is not for your imagined grievances with me or anyone else. It is for mature discussion of FACTS. My perosnality, or what you imagine to be, is irrelevant and wastes bandwith.

As for "we," all Jews save 1st through 4th generation converts are very closely related (hence Y Cr. Modality and 9,000 odd genetic disorders, 4700 of which only we suffer from). Converts are then reabsorbed into our bloodline within 4 generations, often within 3. One of the first things we are taught in a traditional edcuation is that anything that EVER affected your ancestors, or will affect your descendants, affects you in the here and now.

Yes, Plague and the Crusades DID affect us very negatively but then so has any other major historical event in which we lived in proximity to non-Jews. Why would you think that this somehow mitigates what your people did to us?

Furthermore, the reason why Zionists continue to work with Christain Zionists and alligned groups si rather simple: Inbtersecting objectives. We do not care that they imagine we will be converted by their Mystery G-D in the Trials, as long as they help us achieve OUR means. Why would you be mystified by this?

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: WRONG. Cromwell did NOT invite us back, nor did he allow us by law. We were found, yes a Sefardi group from Portugal, 6 years after Cromwell booted your monarchy and were allowed to continue living as long as we did not agitate in any way the system, including struiving for rights. Please get your facts correct.

As for what it has to dow ith THIS thread, the fact that you and others have denied a major part of both English and my history must be adressed. I would also offer that it has as much to do with this subject as calling me a troll would have to do with it.

Citrone: Jewish blood is not cheap. We never forget. Well, certain pseudo-assimilationists imagine they do but even they carry this genetic memory.

Yossarian: Go reread the thread and try to refrain from expletives if trying to point a commenttowards me. Politics are devisive enough without nonsense like that.

As for claiming, Iam what Iam. Unlike you, i use all my real info on here and elsewhere. What about you.

As for race relations, now Jews are the racial oppressors? Got it. Probably time to start belieing Ahmadinead about Tom and Jerry being a Jewish gambit at world somination.


Sleater: Yes, I lso sell fertiliser, along with rice and corn, hardwoods, and other agribiz concerns. What would my income have to do with this? Unless you are looking to import Gimena or Falacta concentrate on ths isues at hand please. If looking to import, contacvt me via my buisness, not here.

 

[rachamim18]

Ungrateful: First, since you wish to devolve this thread even further into the usual U75 abyss of ad hom hatred, your polls are nonsense.

Seondly, it would not matter if they were true because ALL ISRAELIS are guaranteed full and equal treatment under our Baisc Law.

Finally, the PA does not have a single percentage of a percentage point for either Jews living within their mandate, nor for a single Arab ever arrested for a single crime against a single Israeli OR Jew. Seems that you are looking in the wornd place if trying to find a true picture of "race relations" in the Israeli dynamic. Not to mention that both Jews and Arabs are not only of the same.exact race, but of the same,exact SUB-GROUPING!!!

YNET is a media outlet. Our press is completely uncensored save for vital security related issues, hence the expressed view made opnely and in English. Were Israel truly suich a racial quagmire, best believe an ardent rightwing screed like YNET would not have revealed it.

Also, perhaps you might like tot alk of Farfour? OR about al Mahna" Aram? al Akhsa? Or literally hundreds upon hundreds of Arab sources that do not express santised polls but rather unabridged and unbridled hatred.

Anti-Semtic is a retarded label. Are Arabs who hate Jews anti-Semtic?

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: WRONG. Cromwell did NOT invite us back, nor did he allow us by law. We were found, yes a Sefardi group from Portugal, 6 years after Cromwell booted your monarchy and were allowed to continue living as long as we did not agitate in any way the system, including struiving for rights. Please get your facts correct

No, you're wrong. Cromwell invited Jews to live in this country for the first time in nearly 400 years. Oh and he didn't invite "you" back, you weren't alive...unless you're trying to tell us that you're a time traveller.

It wasn't "my" monarchy, I don't own them nor do I support the monarchy. Fool.

 

[nino_savatte]

From Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_cromwell

The commercial policy which led to the Navigation Act in October 1651, made Oliver Cromwell desirous of attracting the rich Jews of Amsterdam to London so that they might transfer their important trade interests with the Spanish Main from Holland to England. The mission of Oliver St John to Amsterdam, though failing to establish a coalition between English and Dutch commercial interests as an alternative to the Navigation Act, had negotiated with Menasseh Ben Israel and the Amsterdam community. A pass was granted to Menasseh to enter England, but he was unable to use it because of the war between England and Holland, which lasted from 1652 to 1654.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menasseh_Ben_Israel

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Are yo slow? Of course I do not thinlk your mom named you any susch thing. See, my point,w hich you have just oroved (thanks) is that you do not even have the maturity to post under your real name when sniping at people. Call me a troll while you hide? Got it.

As for the synopisis fo Jewish History in the UK, care to tell us which part(s) are lies?

Actually, lynchings are neither American or missing from your history. In fact, people have been hung as long as rope existed and your people brought it to the New World. Finally, if you continue to hide behind ad homes, thrown from a fake screen name, and avoid any and all facts, I will have to being ignoring you again. This forum, neigh this site, is not for your imagined grievances with me or anyone else. It is for mature discussion of FACTS. My perosnality, or what you imagine to be, is irrelevant and wastes bandwith.

As for "we," all Jews save 1st through 4th generation converts are very closely related (hence Y Cr. Modality and 9,000 odd genetic disorders, 4700 of which only we suffer from). Converts are then reabsorbed into our bloodline within 4 generations, often within 3. One of the first things we are taught in a traditional edcuation is that anything that EVER affected your ancestors, or will affect your descendants, affects you in the here and now.

Yes, Plague and the Crusades DID affect us very negatively but then so has any other major historical event in which we lived in proximity to non-Jews. Why would you think that this somehow mitigates what your people did to us?

Furthermore, the reason why Zionists continue to work with Christain Zionists and alligned groups si rather simple: Inbtersecting objectives. We do not care that they imagine we will be converted by their Mystery G-D in the Trials, as long as they help us achieve OUR means. Why would you be mystified by this?

Again, you are using this thread to promote your extreme views and show off the chip on your shoulder...it's no so much a chip as it is a mountain range.

Your "intersecting objectives" with the Xtian fundamentalists are entirely superficial. The Zionist cause serves the Rapturist's desire to fulfil Biblical 'prophesy'. Odd, when one considers how recently these same people were persecuting Jews as recently as the 1970's.

 

[Ungrateful]

Ungrateful: First, since you wish to devolve this thread even further into the usual U75 abyss of ad hom hatred, your polls are nonsense.

Hia Rachamim, I can't let this pass. I haven't entered into an ad hominem fallacy. I have not queried your argument on the basis of any of your personal failings, other may have, but I haven't. It's clear you have many character failings, such as ignoring arguments you don't like, misusing terms, occasional deceit (but hell none of us are perfect), but I have not used you character per se in illustrating the weaknesses and inconsistencies in your argument.

The argument being that you are right to criticise the bigotry in Britain's past (and present), although your evidence to support is often woefully inaccurate and highly misguided (for instance the overwhelming proponents of the UCU boycott debate are NOT motivated by antisemitism), but you are slow to deal with the far great bigotry in the state you so actively cheer-lead for. Hence the reference to the poll.

Why do you dismiss their finding as 'nonsense'? Is it that the research methodology is shoddy. If so take it up with Haifa University who carried it out. Or is the source citing it, misusing the evidence? If so YNet is your culprit (which is the Israeli News Service owned and operated by their Yediot Aharonot). I'm guessing that even you will find it a bit hard to call Israel's largest selling newspaper and its leading academic institution 'peddlars of antisemitism'. But I'm looking forward to seeing you give it a try.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Anti-Jewish actions have taken place in America but the worst was the Frank Lynching and that was a sinbgle case. Your nation on the other hand did not even allow us citizenship until the days of my greatgrandfather. Blood libels were confined to the Middle Ages there only because were booted for hundred of years afterwards!!!

They have to do with this subject because a person was claiming the US is reprehensible with regards to racism, as if Padilla is being persecuted due to his mom being born in PR, and not because he hopped a plane to Peshwar and crossed over into Bin Laden's training camp, AND THEN tried to sell Osama on the Dirty Bomb idea. Bit different. I then illustrated just how the UK has a worse record of racism. Get it yet?

Of course it is comical that you ask this when you are posting a post of mine from another site!!! In fact you did so in 2 separate threads in this very forum!

Blacks and Hispanics were denied voting in 01? Are you suggesting that most convicts are black,etc.? Again, you have no clue. Florida's problems in that election were 2 fold. I) Chits were questionable and had nothing to do with any demographic save 3 counties of mostly elderly Jewish people. II) Redistricting adversely affected certain Congressional Districts but not an a racial basis. VERY WRONG there.

(Edited for spelling)

Thanls for another deliberate misreading of my post. You have adopted the same apologetic line that all supporters of Bush's victory have used since 2001.

You have presented a historically innacurate picture of Britain's history for entirely emotional reasons. Nothing can cover up for the rampant xenophobia that has existed in the US since its inception. Perhaps you also think that the Rosenbergs were simply guilty...the fact that they were Jews at a time when anti-Semitism and anti-communism went hand-in-hand and informed mainstream socio-political thought, is irrelevant. No, of course not, it's much better to believe that they were "self-hating Jews" instead.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: First, Wikipedia is a farce. They only introduced editorial oversight in 06 and still permit reader editing to this very date! Its sole value is in its listing of sources. You might also wish to know that in 2 genres i have 11 artiicles on wiki and have edited many more so really, defaming me as aliar and then using Wiki as a source is kind of comical...

So, did or did he not allow us back?

www.olivercromwell.org/jews.htm

I am certainky curious as to how you will sidw step this one.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: As for youe second Wiki on it, what do I care about ben Manneseh being delayed? Show us how Cromwell permitted us back. By withholding his opinion oe way or another it was achieved but this far from "allowing," and still ignores the fact that we were not permitted for hundreds of years even if he had (and he did not).

As for "we," I have already told you countless times about it and will briefly tell you once again. All Jews are very closely related via genetics. As such we are truly brothers and sisters, all the more so when one realises the most desirable match for marriage is a man with the daughter of his niece. We re very much a family.

As for your not feeling that way about Englieh people, I pity you but then all westerners are pretty much the same in this respect.

Rapturists, as you elegantly put it, could have been gassing us 10 years ago but if associating with them now enables us to become even ore pwoerful to then be able to achieve OUR objectives, so be it. Who cars what or what not they do when they pray? I care about me and mine and the association benefits us for the momemnt.

 

[rachamim18]

Ungrateful: i will ignore the usual blah-blah-ad hom chatter and make my point.

If you want to talk about racism, or the equivalent there of since were one of the world's only true multi-racial societies, you need to talk of real issues, not spurious polls put out bu a media outlet with its own agenda (in that case trying to push the nation right of center via expected reactionism, which almost always beings even Peaceniks to the right).

I will give you a freebie, but next time you really need to do your homework if trying ot tar us.

The best battalion in the entire IDF is not a Jewish batallion. Even Jewish battalions have even Muslim "Palestinians" serving in them but the Druse Battalion, the one in question, served the longest time of any on the last war, scored themost clean kills of any with 22 dead, and incurreed the least injuries and deatsh with zero.

Yet, to this day, a non-Jewish Israeli cannot operate in the IAF. Why? this is a very real problem but see, you would never know this because your head spins over nonsense propaganda. Ooooh look! YNet says this so let us gloat. Pleaaase. We are no different from any other nation, we ave problems, some of them huge, but people like you will never know that because you latch onto nonsense.

Now, as to the poll itself, i could simply say look at our sociery. We live among Arabs, all of use Arabic slang, many such as myself speak Arabic better than Hebrew, and we are fine with it. Were we to really have such astonishing numbers with regard to anti-Arab bias, you would see it permeating our society at every level.

Instead, iIwill ask you to examine fallacies in relation to poll science as w hole. Familiar with exit polling? How about control groups? If I take you to Mea Sh'areem or B'nei B;rak and ask you to poll on this issue, you will get much different results than polling in Hafia, or Upper Galilee, or Ashkelon.

Polls as a whole are rife with problems, but polls in Israel are a mess all their own. See, in our earlier days, our govt. settled us in blocs so that today, most Jews who folks came from India lve in the Negev, those with Mizrachi roots in Galilee,etc. Places like nmy hometown of Bat Yam are extremely right wing while places like Hafia are as left as it gets in any one area.It is impossible to effectively structure control groups in our nation, This is why no political party really bpthers with it.

 

[rachamim18]

Ungrateful: I do not use the term anti-Jewish lightly and in fact never use the term anti-Semitism because H\Jews are far fro the only Semites. Why would I call anything Israel anri-Jewish simply because it publishes a spurious poll? As I said, their agenda was in fact right wing Israeli Jewish. As in, let us start ethnographic strife so that more of the left will gravitate towards the right.

Nino: America has only exited as a nation since 1776, Britan a bit longer, yes? As for the Rosenbergs, their problem was not being Jewish as they lived in a place where we controlled the polkitical system (NYC), rather in the fact that ther were hardcore commies in the McCarthy Era, see context is a bit important, yes?

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: America has only exited as a nation since 1776, Britan a bit longer, yes? As for the Rosenbergs, their problem was not being Jewish as they lived in a place where we controlled the polkitical system (NYC), rather in the fact that ther were hardcore commies in the McCarthy Era, see context is a bit important, yes?

Your understanding of history is woeful. You fail to understand that in the mind of the average US WASP, Jews and communists were one and the same thing.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: As for youe second Wiki on it, what do I care about ben Manneseh being delayed? Show us how Cromwell permitted us back. By withholding his opinion oe way or another it was achieved but this far from "allowing," and still ignores the fact that we were not permitted for hundreds of years even if he had (and he did not).

As for "we," I have already told you countless times about it and will briefly tell you once again. All Jews are very closely related via genetics. As such we are truly brothers and sisters, all the more so when one realises the most desirable match for marriage is a man with the daughter of his niece. We re very much a family.

As for your not feeling that way about Englieh people, I pity you but then all westerners are pretty much the same in this respect.

Rapturists, as you elegantly put it, could have been gassing us 10 years ago but if associating with them now enables us to become even ore pwoerful to then be able to achieve OUR objectives, so be it. Who cars what or what not they do when they pray? I care about me and mine and the association benefits us for the momemnt.

How about you go and Google it, windbag? I think you'll find that what I have said is correct: Cromwell permitted the Jews to return to England.

As for the rest oif your post it is characteristically Mitty-esque.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: First, Wikipedia is a farce. They only introduced editorial oversight in 06 and still permit reader editing to this very date! Its sole value is in its listing of sources. You might also wish to know that in 2 genres i have 11 artiicles on wiki and have edited many more so really, defaming me as aliar and then using Wiki as a source is kind of comical...

So, did or did he not allow us back?

www.olivercromwell.org/jews.htm

I am certainky curious as to how you will sidw step this one.

Look! It produces a link!!! Whatever...I think you'll find that Wikipeida isn't the only site where this has been written. Indeed, even the Jewish Virtual Library mentions it. If Cromwell didn't permit Jews to return, then please explain the sudden rise in the Jewish population from 1651 to 1688.

As for "we", you weren't there...unless you're trying to tell me that you're over 300 years old.

You have hijacked this thread to promote your bigoted propaganda and warped takes on history. Continue this and I will report you.

 

[Ungrateful]

Ungrateful: i will ignore the usual blah-blah-ad hom chatter and make my point.

I assume by that you mean you were wrong to accuse me of it. If so you might like to admit you were wrong and apologise.

As to the stuff about Druze in the IDF, this is just a non sequitor. It simply does not follow from any point I've made. Your inability to express a cogent argument for your position suggests that you might want to revisit it.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Yes, indeed, many WASPs did view communists and Jews as one and the same but you forget a couple of points. Only a tiny number of American Jews per capita were ever even accused of spying for the commies. Second, McCartysim snared many more WASPs than it ever did Jews. Interesting,yes? As for your usual personal insult, do you ever grow tired of it?

Google iy? I did it one better, I provided you a hyperlink to mainstream source. How about you provide a single one showing he permitted it in writing? As for the insults, one more and i am through with you, point blank. I might be virtually reitred, but my life and time is a whole loyt more important than engaging clearly very unhappy people. Time to act adult Nino, or you will be back in Time Out with your cute hat on again.

The rise in population was due to Cromwell's aquisence to economic reality. Should he hope to remain in power for any given time, he would need to boost the seocnomy. Simply explain why the Jew Bill was ever brought to bear if we had been officially permitted to reutrn. you are also ingoring the fact that we had been barred by law for half a millenia.

As for "we," again: I pity Westerners like yourself. No sense of belonging. Perhaps that is why your ilk are so profoundly unhappy. The sense of belinging is soemthing we are imbued with from the time we can express ourselves. We are taught: "What happened to your ancestors will happen to you, what happens to you will happen to your children." I do not know why I even bother to teach you our beliefs because all you wil do is disparage them. As I said though, I am giving you one more chance on the insults.

Ungrateful: Why is the vast majority of people on this site so hellbent on personal insults and antagonism There must be posters for this site on walls of mental illness drop in centers throughout the UK. Waht a waste. What a shame.

 

[nino_savatte]

This thread wasn't started so that you may use it to further spread your extreme Zionist propaganda and lies.

This is a lie

McCartysim snared many more WASPs than it ever did Jews

So the Hollywood Ten weren't mainly Jewish nor were the many other actors and screenwriters summoned to appear before the HUAC? It seems that your knowledge of this period is based on more lies. Like these:

Google iy? I did it one better, I provided you a hyperlink to mainstream source. How about you provide a single one showing he permitted it in writing? As for the insults, one more and i am through with you, point blank. I might be virtually reitred, but my life and time is a whole loyt more important than engaging clearly very unhappy people. Time to act adult Nino, or you will be back in Time Out with your cute hat on again.

The rise in population was due to Cromwell's aquisence to economic reality. Should he hope to remain in power for any given time, he would need to boost the seocnomy. Simply explain why the Jew Bill was ever brought to bear if we had been officially permitted to reutrn. you are also ingoring the fact that we had been barred by law for half a millenia.

As for "we," again: I pity Westerners like yourself. No sense of belonging. Perhaps that is why your ilk are so profoundly unhappy. The sense of belinging is soemthing we are imbued with from the time we can express ourselves. We are taught: "What happened to your ancestors will happen to you, what happens to you will happen to your children." I do not know why I even bother to teach you our beliefs because all you wil do is disparage them. As I said though, I am giving you one more chance on the insults.

Much of the rest of this post is little more than the psychotic (drug-fuelled) ramblings of a sad, embittered extreme Zionist who, rather than put forward an honest argument, spends all of his time lying and accusing others of the things that he is guilty of.

But this sums up your unabashed arrogance, racism and sense of cultural superiority.

I pity Westerners like yourself. No sense of belonging.

LOL!!! I have a "sense of belonging" but it isn't based on extreme racist ideology, myths, lies and the notion that I am superior to others because of my ethnicity. I pity inveterate liars and fantasists like you.