Packer's Field Showdown Tuesday 14th March

[Sunspots]

Of course I could, but I am doubtfull that they would act. What is your point.

My point Zaskar, is purely that instead of threatening to knock people off mopeds, you could report your concerns to the police.

(For your information, I note that there's a 'Police Surgery' being held somewhere on Stapleton Road on Monday evening, 6pm-8pm.)

Personally my exploits extend further than my presumed vendatta of which you have been asked on many occasions by mods not to boringly keep referring to.

To be clear: I have not referred to any of your past exploits. You appear to have jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Please also remember that the whole episode you refer too was painfull to myself and my closest and family due in large part to the exploits of some of those who post here.

Stupid graf, death threats and the police telling me to be 'very carefull'. I would ask you all to be sensitive to this.

Again, I have not referred to your previous exploits. I don't know (-nor do I care) about any problems you've experienced, and would appreciate it if you would refrain from associating me in any way with any of the things you mention.

End of.

 

[Sunspots]

Anybody see today's Evening Post article, which reports that vandals have apparently damaged some of the all-weather pitch at the City Academy, and suggests that it may have been motivated by those opposed to the development of Packer's Field?

Firstly, if it's true, then IMO, vandalism isn't going to achieve anything positive.

However, my initial thoughts on seeing this story were that it's just a PR smear against the Packer's Field campaign. Obviously a pretty low and desperate tactic.

 

[djbombscare]

To be clear: I have not referred to any of your past exploits. You appear to have jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Mr Sunspots, the trouble with those luvvie film types is everything is always about them. They need the attention.

Conclusive proof - that its not the words that come out but the mind it goes into I feel

 

[Jografer]

However, my initial thoughts on seeing this story were that it's just a PR smear against the Packer's Field campaign. Obviously a pretty low and desperate tactic.

Are you for real..... a secondary school head either makes up or commits an act of vandalism in order to 'smear' a load of nomarks.... doesn't sound very likely....

From the reports I've read most of the local community want this field improved, it's a group of local dog walkers combined with the Indymedia loons kicking up a fuss... lots of noise, loads of heat, fuck all light as usual.

 

[Serotonin]

Anybody see today's Evening Post article, which reports that vandals have apparently damaged some of the all-weather pitch at the City Academy, and suggests that it may have been motivated by those opposed to the development of Packer's Field?

Hmm so it was posted on BIM, who removed it and showed it to the police according to the EP article.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...ace&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

If accurate, thats an interesting change of stance there then...

 

[Jografer]

BTW, the letter in the Een Post deserves reprinting in this discussion.... seems to make a lot more sense that most 'contributions'.....

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The so-called activists who destroyed the City Academy's sports pitch clearly care nothing about the multi- cultural, working class community in which the school is based. The campaign to oppose the development of Packers Field began with a tiny group of selfish dog walkers who wanted to continue using a children's sports field as a dogs' toilet. It was entirely predictable that this 'campaign' would be latched on to by others - middle class trendies - who had no interest in Packers but saw it as an opportunity to attack the 'establishment', in the shape of the City Academy. People, including myself, have a perfect right to disagree with the concept behind Academies but this is no reason to stop local sports people and children having safe clean sports facilities. The anti-development campaigners say they don't condone criminal damage, fair enough, but the sneering attitude some of them use against the school and anyone who dares disagree with them has set an unfortunate tone. Describing some elderly people who attended a recent public meeting as 'muppets' and denigrating the contributions of local children to the debate is utterly unacceptable. The website article boasting about the vandalism hinted that children could be targeted 'next time'. It is almost unbelievable that plans to give inner city school children a decent sports field should be met with such cowardly intimidation. The best way to respond is for the community to work with the Academy to ensure that the improvements go ahead as planned and that local youngsters get the sports facilities they need and deserve.
John McInally, Greenbank, Bristol

 

[bristol_citizen]

The campaign to oppose the development of Packers Field began with a tiny group of selfish dog walkers who wanted to continue using a children's sports field as a dogs' toilet.

It was entirely predictable that this 'campaign' would be latched on to by others - middle class trendies - who had no interest in Packers but saw it as an opportunity to attack the 'establishment',in the shape of the City Academy.

the sneering attitude some of them use against the school and anyone who dares disagree with them has set an unfortunate tone

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Is this guy for real?

 

[Sunspots]

Are you for real..... a secondary school head either makes up or commits an act of vandalism in order to 'smear' a load of nomarks.... doesn't sound very likely....

I wasn't questioning whether or not it actually happened. Nor did I mention 'a secondary school head', as you have.

Maybe I should've been a bit more clearer, but when I said 'if it's true', I meant if the entire turf has to be re-laid, and if it costs 'up to £100,000', as stated in the article. Obviously, we all only have the Evening Post's report to go on at this stage, but I think it's in the Academy's PR interests to maximise the amount/cost of the damage and to milk this story for all it's worth.

As I said in my previous post, IMO vandalism isn't going to achieve anything positive.

I agree with the quote by Ray Priest (the Principle of Bristol Academy): "Although there have been disagreements about the future of Packer's Field, I know that those who have a real interest in the future of the field have had no part in this attack."

 

[Sunspots]

From the reports I've read most of the local community want this field improved, it's a group of local dog walkers combined with the Indymedia loons kicking up a fuss...

Well, I'm neither a dog walker nor an 'Indymedia loon'.

Nor am I a...

middle class trendy

I'm just an ordinary person that lives nearby, and I'm saddened that yet another open space is going to be fenced off. It just annoys me that unless they can make money off it, developers look at a field and see it as having no purpose.

It already has a purpose: as an open space for everybody, where the neighbourhood can just get together and enjoy a bit of leisure time in the fresh air. Less open spaces means less opportunities to do that, and results in more atomisation of a community.

We all need open spaces: Open Spaces Society

 

[fizzerbird]

I'm just an ordinary person that lives nearby, and I'm saddened that yet another open space is going to be fenced off. It just annoys me that unless they can make money off it, developers look at a field and see it as having no purpose.

It already has a purpose: as an open space for everybody, where the neighbourhood can just get together and enjoy a bit of leisure time in the fresh air. Less open spaces means less opportunities to do that, and results in more atomisation of a community.

We all need open spaces: Open Spaces Society

My sentiments exactly mr sunspots

 

[Isambard]

............the exploits of some of those who post here.

Stupid graf, death threats and the police telling me to be 'very carefull'. I would ask you all to be sensitive to this.

The 2 individuals you accused of being behind graf against you are not around to defend themselves. They denied your accusations at the time.

 

[Isambard]

Anyway, back to the issue at hand. Does anyone know that "John McInally" from the letter above?

It just effing STINKS of being a made up name / made up letter by someone connected to the council/developers.

 

[JTG]

The 2 individuals you accused of being behind graf against you are not around to defend themselves. They denied your accusations at the time.

That's why he's posting it again.

 

[Isambard]

Yeah I know Jittug. I try and stick to the rule of not feeding disruptive trolls but I don't like people throwing shit they hope will stick because the accused can't defend themselves.

 

[bristol_citizen]

Anyway, back to the issue at hand. Does anyone know that "John McInally" from the letter above?

It just effing STINKS of being a made up name / made up letter by someone connected to the council/developers.

He's real. He's the husband/partner of the chair of governors of the local primary school. Hardly independent and if anyone's a middle class newcomer - trendy or not - with a political agenda it's him.

 

[Isambard]

Thanks for the info Bristol Citizen.

 

[fat hamster]

The 2 individuals you accused of being behind graf against you are not around to defend themselves. They denied your accusations at the time.

So glad you picked that up, Isambard.

It's absolutely absurd to suggest that those two individuals, out of all the many people who were hurt and upset by Zaskar's "previous exploits", would have been responsible for death threats and/or the grafitti (which BTW I have seen, and it is nowhere near where those two individuals live).

 

[Sunspots]

He's real. He's the husband/partner of the chair of governors of the local primary school. Hardly independent and if anyone's a middle class newcomer - trendy or not - with a political agenda it's him.

I didn't know that, and from just reading his letter to the Evening Post, it's not something anybody else would know either.

Although he's obviously entitled to his opinion, I think anybody with connections like that ought to make it clear at some point in their protestations.

 

[Isambard]

Maybe I'm just an old cynic Sunspots but I could see from the start this wasn't a letter from an ordinary bloke with a different opinion. I really think that should have bee or be made clear to the readers of the EP.

 

[Zaskar]

---yawn--- Hey guys stop flattering me with all this attention.

I went of a bit ott there cos I had visions of the whole shit exploding again.

Sunspots. Apologies.

 

[Zaskar]

Mr Sunspots, the trouble with those luvvie film types is everything is always about them. They need the attention.

Conclusive proof - that its not the words that come out but the mind it goes into I feel

Actually no, very much no. Ask my mum. The police telling you some dissent dick brains are out to kill you is not something any same person would enjoy. The graffiti was amusing tho, if a bit thoughtless. Mopst publicity I do crave tho, so that much is true if crassly framed.

ends.

 

[Zaskar]

Back on topic then...

Has anyone seen the plans? Is any of the field to be left for casual use by the local community ?

 

[Isambard]

I went of a bit ott there cos I had visions of the whole shit exploding again.

Sunspots. Apologies.

I take it your apologies apply to the 2 others you attempted to libel and I shall pass it on to them if I see them.

 

[bristol_citizen]

History repeating itself?
http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/newswire.php?story_id=24829

 

[fat hamster]

 

[fat hamster]

Oh, and @ Zaskar, what he said:

do me a favour. Don't PM me, shit for brains.

 

[Serotonin]

Now using the logic previously shown here speculating that the vandalism could have been done to discredit the Packers Field movement, and given the Evening Posts story about a local activist site delelting the original story and the police being contacted, then one could wonder if BIM made up the alleged threatening repsonse that they have printed in their latest statement and informed the police themselves to prevent a repeat of the server seizure.

Especially when you uses google caches and see that the original articled was pulled before anyone had a chance to reply to it...

http://tinyurl.com/o9u4h

And google cache searches for the threat turn up a big fat nothing...


The plot thickens...

One thing we know for sure is , it's definitly not Zaskar this time- that 'alleged/possibly made up' threat is coherent and contains no typos!

 

[Zaskar]

I take it your apologies apply to the 2 others you attempted to libel and I shall pass it on to them if I see them.

Well, if your sure it wasnt them of course. But if you remember the threats that rained down on me from Mr. apron it wasnt totally suprising was it?

Libel is an amusing word to use in the broader context given some of the more clourfull posts made at the time.

 

[Sunspots]

Well, if your sure it wasnt them of course. But if you remember the threats that rained down on me from Mr. apron it wasnt totally suprising was it?

Libel is an amusing word to use in the broader context given some of the more clourfull posts made at the time.

Can we please try to keep this thread on track (ie: about Packer's Field).

Cheers.

 

[Zaskar]

Now using the logic previously shown here speculating that the vandalism could have been done to discredit the Packers Field movement, and given the Evening Posts story about a local activist site delelting the original story and the police being contacted, then one could wonder if BIM made up the alleged threatening repsonse that they have printed in their latest statement and informed the police themselves to prevent a repeat of the server seizure.

Especially when you uses google caches and see that the original articled was pulled before anyone had a chance to reply to it...

http://tinyurl.com/o9u4h

And google cache searches for the threat turn up a big fat nothing...


The plot thickens...

One thing we know for sure is , it's definitly not Zaskar this time- that 'alleged/possibly made up' threat is coherent and contains no typos!

Indeed, and as you surmise, it wasnt me. I suspect truth will play only a small part in this 'debate'. TBH after the personal grief I recieved previously I certainly wouldnt have entertained further action.