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Madusa said:
'Nineteen Eighty Four' is a stunning book, but have to say I enjoyed Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London a lot more and think that it is one of Orwell's novels which gets overlooked a lot.

Anyone else think that William Burroughs is a majorly overrated author? Hated 'Soft Machine', 'Junk' is just about readable. Naked Lunch, meh.
Junky is a conventional, well-written book. I liked Naked Lunch, but I think Gysin led him astray with his automatic writing experiments, to which he lent far too much significance, and eventually he disappeared up his own mystic arse. A pity.
 
Chairman Meow said:
I love Hardy and have read the Mayor of Casterbridge several times. :) I even called my kid Jude - when I told my mum she looked horrified and said. 'Not after the book!!!' :D

You're a wrong 'un :D ;)
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I loved Catch22, and proceeded to Heller's Something Happened as a result. :mad:
Closing Time is shit as well.

He only had one good book in him.:(

I agree, Good As Gold is a load of self indulgent cack as well.
 
ThierryEnnui said:
I agree, Good As Gold is a load of self indulgent cack as well.
The problem with Heller, I think, is that his brand of ultra-cynicism was perfect for a book about war, but when applied to civilian life it just comes across as bitter and vindictive.
 
Reno said:
Not sure it's a classic, but I couldn't understand the acclaim Donna Tart's The Secret History got.


I think the reviews were written by her close comtemporaries and they all secretly loved seeing themselves portrayed as intellectual bullies, cus being arrogant makes you cool. It's readable, but it's basically wank.


100 Years got swept up in a magical realism genre shock and if read with that in mind it's nice and sweeping and whirling.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
The problem with Heller, I think, is that his brand of ultra-cynicism was perfect for a book about war, but when applied to civilian life it just comes across as bitter and vindictive.


You want ultra-cynical read Something Happened by Heller. It's a shocker; stark as anything, universal but very much of it's time and place.
 
5t3IIa said:
You want ultra-cynical read Something Happened by Heller. It's a shocker; stark as anything, universal but very much of it's time and place.
It's tedious and lacking in any real insight.
 
100 years of solitude was all right except trying to keep up with pedro segundo etc. I prefer pretty much all of his other books to it.

To Kill a Mocking Bird, again I think a good book ruined by school

Catcher in the Rye. Dull, dull, boring, dull. One of those books where nothing happens just gets alluded to. He lost his virginity and I didn't even notice. Dull

The Confederacy of Dunces. Everyone else who read it thinks it's hilarious. no, no it's not.
 
veracity said:
:eek:

Can't believe that people don't rate 'Catch-22' and '1984'!

Or Dickens!

FWIW I also quite enjoyed '100 Years of Solitude'


For me the most over rated books have to be the Harry Potter series. Yes I know they are children's books but bloody hell, there's far better children's literature out there than that load of cliched, poorly written tripe.

*gets coat*

All true.
 
5t3IIa said:
It's tedious on purpose and I already said it's of it's time and place.
Ok, a metanarrative that was lost on me. Everyday life is tedious, and I will illustrate this by writing a long, tedious novel about it, thus adding to the tedium of the reader's already tedious life. Life sucks and this book proves it. Hmmm.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Junky is a conventional, well-written book. I liked Naked Lunch, but I think Gysin led him astray with his automatic writing experiments, to which he lent far too much significance, and eventually he disappeared up his own mystic arse. A pity.

I guess it is a 'well written' book compared to say, 'Soft Machine' which gave me a headache trying to decipher what the hell he was on about. So compared to that, Junk is just about comprehendable. ;)
 
Papingo said:
Catcher in the Rye. Dull, dull, boring, dull. One of those books where nothing happens just gets alluded to. He lost his virginity and I didn't even notice. Dull

I haven't read it in a long time but I'm pretty sure that Holden doesn't lose his virginity and that's actually one of the points of the book.
 
Life of Pi. Some things in life make me say 'fuck off' almost involuntarily. I saw it in a bookshop two hours ago. It happened again.
 
Madusa said:
I guess it is a 'well written' book compared to say, 'Soft Machine' which gave me a headache trying to decipher what the hell he was on about. So compared to that, Junk is just about comprehendable. ;)
Junkie was his debut novel and written straight-up, more or less. After shooting his wife dead, Burroughs started getting stuck into the psychedelics and whilst living in Tangier, authored what would be edited together into the Naked Lunch, in a style that was heavily influenced by Brion Gysin and his cut-up techniques. There were then 3 subsequent books, including Soft Machine that took this approach further, with varying degrees of success imo.

But i do think that William S Burroughs was a tremendous author, with work that is visceral and vibrant, it doesn't work like normal books and does demand a lot of the reader but I think it's worthwhile making the effort. His books often aren't about anything at all as such but they are about all sorts of things, all jumbled up.
 
Best stick to these then :p :D

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Spion said:
Life of Pi. Some things in life make me say 'fuck off' almost involuntarily. I saw it in a bookshop two hours ago. It happened again.

Bloody good book you CANT! :mad:
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
But i do think that William S Burroughs was a tremendous author, with work that is visceral and vibrant, it doesn't work like normal books and does demand a lot of the reader but I think it's worthwhile making the effort. His books often aren't about anything at all as such but they are about all sorts of things, all jumbled up.
He mistook coincidence for significance and spent thirty years on the wrong path. Naked Lunch should have been the end of an experiment, not the beginning of one.
 
zoltan69 said:
Surprised No ones brought up James Joyce yet...:eek:

definately a literary example of the Emperors new clothes

Is that because hardly anybody has actually read him?
 
Fez909 said:
Is that because hardly anybody has actually read him?

i had to read him at uni. I think I only read the study guides though. :rolleyes:
I always thought Joseph Conrad's Heart of darkness was a load of unreadable, very dull pants.
 
Catch-22 has no business being mentioned in this thread.

How about Moby Dick? Good in parts, but seemed to be so much a textbook on whaling.
 
Hellsbells said:
i had to read him at uni. I think I only read the study guides though. :rolleyes:
I always thought Joseph Conrad's Heart of darkness was a load of unreadable, very dull pants.

Oh Christ yes - worst book ever! I don't care that he wrote it in his second language its still shit. Hard to believe that such a short book could be so totally fucking boring really.
 
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