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Overloaded with work? "You need to manage your time better"

Way to go! :rolleyes:

Fortget people having a right to an annual payrise - let's instead haev it dependant on the linemanager thinking you "deserve" one - with all the inherant abyuse-of-power bollocks that goes with that.

Oh, whatever. I can't be bothered arguing with you anymore.
 
Yes - when it's a way of controlling someone and reinforcing the whole "I own you - so if I say you're objective is to walk backwards with your pants round your ankles, you'll bloody well do it or have hell to pay at the end of the year".
Really ??
Can you perhaps provide links to this Dickensian workplace please? I though Scrooge was a fictional character ? :D
the line manager issues the objective, the worker agrees them.

Open to interprestation - and the company always backs the manager over the worker in case of dispute.


Yeah - we stand under the bosses boot.
All - the above - if you see yourself as under someone's boot, then that's a low opinion of yourself to hold :)
Way to go!

Forget people having a right to an annual payrise - let's instead haev it dependant on the linemanager thinking you "deserve" one - with all the inherant abyuse-of-power bollocks that goes with that.
Sorry but meanwhile in the real world.......... abuse of power hmmmmm sorry but .... wha?

Um, no, I said what I wanted to achieve, and THEY agreed, actually. I don't even have proper line management at the moment as my boss is off sick. So it was with the managing director and my temporary boss.

I stand under no-one's boot, either :rolleyes:

And 'owning' people went out with the slave trade.

FFS. It doesn't matter what anyone says on this thread, you're determined to have a chip on your shoulder.

Either do something about your job, or get a new one. But stop whinging about and making generalisations which are obviously wrong.
Couldn't agree more!! :)
Shame so many managers seem to be unaware of that.
How long have you been working might I ask ? It must have been years to have compiled such a vast breadth of experience ?
They should change their behaviour.
"They" is a generalisation ! do you believe in other people making generalisations ?
May I suggest you either do summat about it as suggested earlier on the thread or stop complaining cause if you complain & do nowt then the complaints would seem to not have a great deal of value as your conscience will only allow you to stand by and do nothing .... sorry :)
 
if you see yourself as under someone's boot, then that's a low opinion of yourself to hold

So those people under, say, the Ceasescu regime or the Burmese Junta should just stop having such a low opinion of themsleves, then? They're not actually being oppressed - they just think they are becuase they have a low opinion of themselves?
 
So those people under, say, the Ceasescu regime or the Burmese Junta should just stop having such a low opinion of themsleves, then? They're not actually being oppressed - they just think they are becuase they have a low opinion of themselves?
Sorry - that's completely a irrelevant parallel especially as it wasn't what I implied - I was aiming the shot at how you seem to view everyone who's working for someone & it's certainly not how I see myself !
We are specifically talking about work in the UK aren't we ?
To even suggest making that a parallel with the Burmese Junta is at the very least ludicrous and at minimum trivialising what's going on there !!
Let's at least keep on topic please or shall we just not bother ? (By the way iirc the Ceauescu regime folded in 1989 iirc didn't it? :))

e2a: I'm now fed up because whatever I say, we aren't ever going to agree so let's just agree to disagree ?

e2a: again - you obviously care very much & are passionate about things - and that's really to be admired but I really think with feelings as strong as yours obv are, that if you tried to alter things, you might be pleasantly surprised :)
 
Can't blame anyone for not wanting to be a member of the other side - and objectives are bunch of arse
Don't get me wrong, I don't blame anyone for anything, I just wish the generalisations would stop :)
There's enough threads on how bad it is to generalise elsewhere on here & that's why I'm taking issue with it :) Objectives can be a bunch of arse - it (ime) entirely depends on the folks involved in the process - if they're all genuinely committed to making it work, then it does :)
 
Shite way for shite bosses to get rid of staff: number 2346,087,539:

Overload the member of staff with a workload they cannot possibly complete within working hours. When they either don't get it done or complain about the workoad - tell them they're not "managing their time effectively" and tell them to go on a time-management course. Then ban them from working more than a certain number of hours per day. For added two-facedness, tell them it's to "help their work-life balance".

When the staff member, unsurprisingly, is still behind with their work (becuase it's the WORKLOAD LEVEL that's at fault, not their time-management) afterwards, use that as justification for sacking them. Oh - and make sure to throw in "we made every effort to help you manage your time effectively". That one's an old favourite, eh - you sick, evil, twisted fuckers!

FFS - it's the manager's EXPECTATIONS that need managing, not the workers' time-management!

:mad:

keep a work diary too so you can prove you are overworked. But don't spend more than 10 mins a day on it.

You two do not work in the charity sector per chance..??

Also call a member of staff in for a meeting with their line manager & CEO. Then present them with a six page document full of vagaries listing all their failings give them five minutes to read & digest the document then ask them to defend themselves against the failing listed in the document.

Bad managers make good workers bad; good managers make bad workers competent.
 
Sorry but that's, for want of a better word - twaddle :D....

Doing an appraisal is not "sitting in judgement" not if it's done properly.

e2a: And as EG just said - it's an agreement of objectives

It's the only way to make sure that someone is performing to the contract of employment they signed and to the job description they agreed to & that takes both parties involvement & participation

It's also one of the only ways to have evidence you have done what you're supposed to do and to have it documented

And, used correctly by both sides it can & should be used to identify areas that are legitimately of concern and find ways to fix them

I've been part of appraisal systems all my working life (except when I was a freelance - when you're freelance, crap work = no renewed contracts) tbh even I can recognise when my own performance hasn't been good and when a poor appraisal's been due & when that's happened - I've worked hard to make sure it didn't happen again

My question to you is: If you hate appraisals, just how do you know if you are doing your job ? And how does anyone else - including your employer - know this ?

PS: Good parroting of the official line there, btw. You'll go far in most organisations.
 
Dear poster342002

You may work for a bunch of arseholes but it doesn't mean that everyone does. Your blanket criticism of "managers" is frankly juvenile.

Suggest you drop out and go live on a commune where everyone is equal and such abuses of power could never exist.

Kind regards

Mrs Miggins
 
Suggest you drop out and go live on a commune where everyone is equal and such abuses of power could never exist.

Oh dear - the modern day version of "why don't you go and live in the soviet union, then?" :rolleyes:

BTW, I've too many stories of this kind from all sorts of places to think they're a minority.
 
So no actual verification of the veracity of the stories, no confirmation that 'too much work to cope with' isn't 'too much work to leave time for fucking around with'?
 
Accumulated mixed-bag of first, second and otherhand stories.

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Oh come one, poster12389472038947 may be a bit of a grouchy old eeyore, but he's right, becoming a manager does move you up the cunt scale significantly
 
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