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Out with the Old... Network Rail tell businesses to vacate Atlantic Road arches

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by :-D, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter edge of heaven

    Brixton Station Road looks rubbish at the moment, it's sad.

    Spend yer money while you can in the local businesses - Brixton Tools DIY shop, the caffs, the kids clothes shop etc.
     
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  2. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    And the way planning works is so that people can query things. It's not playing the H&S card. It's up to the relevant authorities to either acknowledge a query as having grounds or not.
     
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  3. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    Is it all done and dusted? Do you really think voicing concerns or displeasure really going to hold anything up now? We're already in for it all being shut for over a year and it doesn't look like anything has even started yet. If people still have concerns - h&s or otherwise, why does it bother you? so do you think arguing on this thread helps? Do you think they should all shut up and let NR rail think all of Brixton is happy with what they are doing?

    I see the appeal of being a thorn in NR side - and yes I know its a public organisation and ultimately public expense - which is why it is wrong that they are trying to wring profit out of small traders and rip apart our community like this in the first place. Perhaps if the process takes too long or costs too much NR might not do this everywhere else in London, ok thats unlikely, but if other people want to be that thorn slowing them down then I say good luck to them.
     
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  4. Rushy

    Rushy igam ogam

    No G. I haven't said or implied that anywhere, have I. But don't let that stop you flinging the usual tedious shit. :facepalm:
     
  5. Lizzy Mac

    Lizzy Mac Well-Known Member

    You say "tedious shit' others say "tomato".
     
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  6. Rushy

    Rushy igam ogam

    In respect of the vacated units, I'd say yes it is largely. Do you not?

    Your displeasure is genuine. I respect it, the reasons for it and both your need and right to express it.

    Trying to slow maintenance and refurbishment works to already empty arches by means of spurious H&S arguments incompetently directed through planning rather than the HSE (to whom any genuine H&S concerns would logically be directed) isn't going to change to the outcome. It might preserve the status quo for a while. I don't think that's helpful.

    I'd say we agree on many aspects of the arches development. And we both recognise that the ongoing vacancy and lack of progress on the site is damaging to local business and the local environment. But we clearly differ on whether further delaying repair, development or maintenance of the majority of units which are already empty is worthwhile or beneficial.

    You've concluded that drawing out the "devastating effects" on local traders is a price worth paying because it might make NR think twice in future. Whereas I don't believe that whatever miniscule effect offering Brixton as a cause célèbre will have on NR policy is a worthwhile upside. I am disappointed that you seem to imply that I should not express this.

    If, as a result of maintenance and refurbishment works beginning, the remaining occupied archway businesses were unable to carry on their legal challenges against NR, I would probably think differently. But no one has suggested that is the case.
     
  7. Ms T

    Ms T Honey-coloured ramparts

    Given where we are I'd like to see the refurbishment happen as soon as possible so traders can move back in. I hear that in Herne Hill Best Kebab really pissed off a lot of the shop holders by delaying the work.
     
  8. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    If all the concerns being raised are totally baseless as some people are insisting, then I see no reason why there should be any delay at all. However, if they are legitimate health and safety concerns, then it's absolutely right that they should be raised and dealt with promptly.

    One thing is for sure: what we'll end up with will have precious little of the original character and many of the sub-letting traders won't be returning. Some businesses have already been destroyed.

    And what we'll be getting in return is more shiny, bland anytown shit.
     
  9. Rushy

    Rushy igam ogam

    I have a lot of sympathy for Best Kebab. They had a recent tenancy and had spent a lot refurbing. I don't know what the terms of their tenancy was but suspect that they agreed to an insecure lease and spent the money in the hope that nothing was going to change. What they probably should have done is enter into a deed of assurance with their landlord at the outset which set out what they were going to do/spend and an agreement setting out how they would be compensated if the tenancy was brought to an end in the first, say, 5-10 years.

    The difference with that case is that the landlord refused to start works until BK was out. In the Brixton arches, they are trying to get on with the development whilst the remaining occupants exercise their rights to legal challenge. If that had happened in Herne Hill then BK's resistance would not have been the, unfair IMO, target for local frustration.
     
  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    This is the kind of desperate measures Beautiful Books have had to resort to in an attempt to publicise their new, out of the way location, thanks to NR's enforced eviction of their previous premises.

    I dare say that this wooden construction hasn't got planning permission but given that they've already tried writing directions on the hoardings and also sticking up bits of paper, all the signs are that this Brixton Pillars campaign is failing miserably. But then what do you expect when the shiny hoardings don't actually include a map or directions? :facepalm:

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  11. Lizzy Mac

    Lizzy Mac Well-Known Member

    If the terms are the same as the newer arches in HH, the tenants can be turfed out at anytime. I can't remember where the post is but Stardust eventually left for that reason and spelt it out clearly online somewhere. They had been asked to move out twice in a short space of time after having spent money doing the place up. It stinks really.
     
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  12. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    They were loading bricks into a skip in Herne hill the other day so it's definitely started there.
     
  13. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I note that all the shiny hoardings have been removed from both Atlantic Road and Station Road. Anyone know why?
     
  14. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It's really annoying - and a bit amateurish - that for all the 'Brixton Pillars' branding that they slapped all over the (now departed) advertising boards there's no website, FB page or Twitter feed to find out anything. I've tried asking Brixton Bid what's going on, but there seems to be unified contact point.
     
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  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    So no answers from Brixton BID or the #brixtonpillars Twitter feed about what's happening.
     
  16. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  17. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery Well-Known Member

    Well that looks much better; they could improve it further by using Farrow & Ball's 'concrete grey' colour
     
  18. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    It's not a joke for the remaining traders on Brixton Station road.

    I had a chat with one of them last weekend. The Brixton Pillars was not liked by the traders.
     
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  19. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  20. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Is something Network Rail oriented going on in the space occupied by the Rasta fruit & veg shop in the arch fronting onto Coldharbour Lane under the railway bridge?

    There was a gaggle of hefty workmen in there earlier this morning sawing up planks of wood etc.
     
  21. cuppa tee

    cuppa tee Well-Known Member

  22. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Just doing a feature now - they're back in place along Sation Road as well. How much is all this fucking about costing?
     
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    editor Taffus Maximus

  24. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Just catching up on the latest Buzz article from the mystery contributor.

    So, I was right.

    Getting on with clearance/enabling works wouldn't be breaking the planning conditions. The mystery Buzz contributor, having revealed this, goes on to complain that there's no sign the enabling works - which the same mystery contributor was previously saying shouldn't be happening at all - have actually started.

    The article also makes a false statement:
    No, safety management is the responsibility of anyone carrying out building work, regardless of whether it needs planning permission. This statement is complete nonsense.

    It remains to be seen whether Mystery Contributor's claim that NR have been instructed to move the hoardings closer to the arches turns out to be based in fact or not.

    Seriously, this kind of ropey journalism doesn't help anyone.
     
  25. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I note that Beautiful Books have had their extra advert ripped down. They must really be struggling to survive :(

    I wonder what the point of taking down all the advertising boards and then putting them back up again was? They couldn't even be arsed to take off the graffiti when they put them back, but there must have been a very compelling reason for them to undertake all this extra work.

    And how much is all this rearranging and faffing about costing? Such a shame no one seems inclined to explain what they're doing while the heart of Brixton slowly rots away, with no end in sight to these works.
     
  26. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    Was just down in Brixton.

    I think the removal and reinstatement of the hoarding panels was probably to allow for some readjustment of the line of the hoardings which our Brixton Buzz correspondents have not been observant enough to notice, in spite of their acute awareness of the apparently dangerously cramped pavement conditions they complain about. For example the stretch of hoarding along Atlantic Road, between the telephone box and the junction with Brixton rd, has definitely bee moved back by about 400-500mm. In fact the change is clearly visible comparing two of the photos included in the Buzz article I commented on earlier.
     
  27. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I keep getting asked this: Seeing as NR have insisted that they needed full possession of all the arches for the work to go ahead, how come the bookies and pawnbrokers are still there, happily trading away?
     
  28. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  29. Carpet man

    Carpet man Active Member

    Lambeth promised the hoardings would be moved back by the end of January but didn't follow it through , they allowed the Contractors to load rubble onto a large lorry in a loading bay for hours but told their parking attendants to ticket every other vehicle after the 30 minute period .
    Vermin nests have been disrtubed in the empty Arches by the Contractors and still the remaining Traders carry on trying to run their business its hard !!
     
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  30. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    As per my post of 2nd March - the hoardings on Atlantic Rd *have* been moved back.
     

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