hegley
never odd or even
Ah, didn't realise that.
Oscars 2016
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souljacker
innit
The only good thing about the Oscars is the screener DVDs all pop up on torrent sites.
felixthecat
are we there yet?
I was talking to a friend of mine last night, a mixed race actor in Hollywood. His opinion is that the race issue being so pronounced this year is the media creating a tornado out of a gentle breeze because they missed a trick last year when Selma was dissed by the Academy, that it's not being taken seriously at ground level.
He then went on to have a full blown media rant so there may have been a bit of an agenda on his part....
He then went on to have a full blown media rant so there may have been a bit of an agenda on his part....
D'wards
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There's a writer for the Guardian called Catherine Shoard who's very good on this stuff. She made the point that if you don't like "issue" films like Selma or Suffragette (and she didn't much like either) you feel you are being racist or sexist in some way, when in reality you just didn't like that particular film.I was talking to a friend of mine last night, a mixed race actor in Hollywood. His opinion is that the race issue being so pronounced this year is the media creating a tornado out of a gentle breeze because they missed a trick last year when Selma was dissed by the Academy, that it's not being taken seriously at ground level.
He then went on to have a full blown media rant so there may have been a bit of an agenda on his part....
I know what she means, a film depictiong MLK just feels like it should be oscar nominated before a frame is even shot.
Catherine Shoard | The Guardian
D'wards
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I think Stallone will win, but it will be a "career" oscar rather than a performance one, like when Scorsese won for The Departed. We all love a bit of sweet old Sly these days.
Reno
The In Kraut
Very true. I am one of these people who generally doesn't like issue films which is one reason why I find the mainstream awards shows so uninteresting. I just don't think dramatic films are the best way of get issues across because due to their running time they have to be manipulative and fairly simplistic and they rarely are interesting on a level of of film making. I prefer a book or documentary when it comes to issues.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
this is all true, but when you look at some of the tedious stuff that has been nominated, the lack of black faces does stand out. Oscar bait like Spotlight, the tedious Steve Jobs....It was even more noticeable last year, with some truly tedious acting nods
Reno
The In Kraut
True and there are plenty of films nominated I dislike, don't want to see or find wildly overrated and yes, of course they could have nominated Creed for lead actor and director. I also think the publicity this gets is a good thing.
I haven't seen the new Star Wars film but I do think its a good thing that it has a far more diverse leads than previous Star Wars films. Not awards fodder, but this type of colour blind casting is what needs to happen much more. And Mad Max had a female disabled lead (though not played by a disabled actor), so maybe there is change afoot.
The line will still be drawn for a while at gay and trans movie lead characters in blockbusters which aren't about the issue of sexuality.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
It did get a limited cinema release.
D'wards
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Interesting, before this latest greatest (Twitter) outrage The Guardian had their writers choose their own shortlists - not many black faces on there either.
I reckon it might be a bit different if you asked them again, being The Guardian an all.
And the Oscar goes to (or it should anyway)
I reckon it might be a bit different if you asked them again, being The Guardian an all.
And the Oscar goes to (or it should anyway)
Reno
The In Kraut
Apart from all the kerfuffle about lack of representation, there is one nomination I am invested in, which is Charlotte Rampling for 45 Years. My favorite living actress finally got acknowledged by the Oscars for a great performance in a fantastic film (which should have been nominated for best picture). Of course she won't win, but still...
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
pretty much one in every main category, including two acting winners, which would be the first time ever two black actors won awards in the same year, i think
Reno
The In Kraut
Several actually: Girlhood, Tangerine (black, trans = double minority !), Beasts of No Nation, Jada Pinkett Smith for Magic Mike XXL. Girlhood which has a mostly black, female cast turns up on several lists.
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bi0boy
Power User
Some gay people overlooked too 
: Alexis Arquette calls out 'gay' Will and Jada Smith
: Alexis Arquette calls out 'gay' Will and Jada Smith
Reno
The In Kraut
Bless her.Some gay people overlooked too
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Charlotte Rampling weighs in.
What happens if there's not enough decent performances by black actors next year
Oscars 2016: Charlotte Rampling says diversity row is 'racist to white people'
What happens if there's not enough decent performances by black actors next year
Oscars 2016: Charlotte Rampling says diversity row is 'racist to white people'
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Well that's a good way to make sure you don't win an oscar. Say something incredibly pointless and ignorant.
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Interesting breakdown of Oscar nominees/winners by race - blacks do well statistically. But the asians 
http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2016/01/film-and-race
http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2016/01/film-and-race
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Interesting breakdown of Oscar nominees/winners by race - blacks do well statistically. But the asians
http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2016/01/film-and-race
Actually its the latinos who are really getting screwed if that bar graph is correct.
Do blacks really only make about 13% of the US population? That surprises me. I always assumed it was more.
A quick search reveals:
In 2013, the population of African Americans including those of more than one race was estimated at 45 million, making up 15.2% of the total U.S. population.
Those who identified only as African American made up 13.2% of the U.S. population-over 41.7 million people.
Looks like that bar chart used the low figure, slightly naughty.
Still less than i assumed.
D'wards
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I think this whole thing is a little ridiculous. It looks awful on paper that no blacks were nominated (no one really give a fuck about the asians and latinos). But when you look at the actual nuances of it it makes sense - the only person who may have been nominated would be Idris Elba, but seeing as his film was a Netflix affair, and it is thought "Hollywood" sees this as the enemy, as they need bums on seats in actual cinemas.
Ian McKellan has now said the Oscars are homophobic because no openly gay person has ever won a best actor/actress one.
The Academy does definitely respond to pressure though - they felt it was about time a female director won one so the very average Hurt Locker won. When there was an outcry about a black actor not winning one for ages, hey presto, Denzil Washington and Halle Berry win in the same year.
). But when you look at the actual nuances of it it makes sense - the only person who may have been nominated would be Idris Elba, but seeing as his film was a Netflix affair, and it is thought "Hollywood" sees this as the enemy, as they need bums on seats in actual cinemas.Ian McKellan has now said the Oscars are homophobic because no openly gay person has ever won a best actor/actress one.
The Academy does definitely respond to pressure though - they felt it was about time a female director won one so the very average Hurt Locker won. When there was an outcry about a black actor not winning one for ages, hey presto, Denzil Washington and Halle Berry win in the same year.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you're an idiotI think this whole thing is a little ridiculous. It looks awful on paper that no blacks were nominated (no one really give a fuck about the asians and latinos
Ian McKellan has now said the Oscars are homophobic because no openly gay person has ever won a best actor/actress one.
The Academy does definitely respond to pressure though - they felt it was about time a female director won one so the very average Hurt Locker won. When there was an outcry about a black actor not winning one for ages, hey presto, Denzil Washington and Halle Berry win in the same year.
Reno
The In Kraut
I think I said pretty much the same thing earlier on though. With this it's all how one phrases it I suppose. Charlotte Rampling ran foul of that. She expressed essentially the same sentiment, only she did it really clumsily.
In the end I agree that there weren't any achievements by black artists which were unfairly overlooked, at least not more so than those of many white artists which also didn't get nominated. There was some very good work, but nothing truly outstanding, though I suppose that can be argued with. The problem isn't with the Oscars, the problem lies with that not many black actors and film makers get the roles/projects they should be doing and that's what is racist. Not the lack of Oscar nominations.
Reno
The In Kraut
I don't remember the outcry before and can't confirm or deny that, I don't have enough interest in the Oscars. Shame they handed the Oscar for best female performance to a really bad actress that year though.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Why don't you actually look at the realities of things before blindly toeing the party line?
Did Denzil Washington really deserve Best Actor for Training Day? Really?
Did Scorsese deserve the Oscar for The Departed? Will Stallone deserve the Oscar for Creed? Winning is not always about the best performance...
Reno
The In Kraut
Much of the Oscars is about politics, not about achivement and I don't even mean race. Much admired actors who have never won will often get their Oscar for an undeserving performance because it was their time. This year alone several actors got nominated in the wrong category. Rooney Mara and Alice Vikander played lead roles, but got nominated as supporting actresses.
D'wards
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Leonardo only had to put in a half decent performance this year to win.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Has anyone ever said the Oscars go to the most deserving recipient? No, everyone knows they are all sorts of bollocks, with buggins turns and outright tokenism often to the fore. There were plenty of potential non-white nominees this year (and the hashtag is #OscarsSoWhite, not #OscarsUnfairToBlackPeopleButWhoCaresAboutLatinos), way beyond Elba - Jackson, del Toro, Jordan, anyone in the cast of Tangerine. But we do get nominations for the very straight and uninspired performances from Fassbender and Winslett in Steve Jobs, or Stallone for Creed. That they are on the recieving end of the tokenism indicates the academies racist bias.
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